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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    I believe the first thing we should do is look up the definition of the word "tax". It doesn't say anything about dividing up the cost of government equally, or even something everyone must pay. I says "placing a burdon on someone." And there is no one in the country that doesn't pay taxes. If you fill up your old car with gas to drive to a minimum wage job, you already are probably already paying a larger percentage in federal taxes most wall street brokers. Most low wage earners spent their whole pay check on food and housing for their family. In my state with all sales taxes, almost 10% goes for taxes. That means he buys 10% less for his family. Until a wealthy man has to eat 10% less because of the taxes he pays, he is not "taxed" as much as the worker is. Taxes have never been more unfair in this country as they are now, but look who's trying to make it even more unfair. If we let them, fat cats will keep pushing until they pay no taxes at all, and they would still gripe. I say put it back the way it was, some will always gripe and think it's unfair, no matter how little they're "taxed".

    unfair is paying more than you use

    you see we can play around with the definition but mine at least has some objective basis



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Flat tax of no more than 15%.

    Poor (must be defined) pay 3-5% no matter what. They are also targeted by Local, State and Federal improvement programs that already exist for training/skill building to get a better job. The purpose of these programs would be to raise the poor into the "rest of the population" category.

    The rest of the population pays 10% flat. No exceptions.

    Company's, LLC's, S/C Corporations pay, 15% - no exceptions and regarless of size, market, etc.


    Very simple. Tax revenue's would rise, and we'd slow the "nickle & dime" us to death taxes on every product / service / function.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Flat tax of no more than 15%.

    Poor (must be defined) pay 3-5% no matter what. They are also targeted by Local, State and Federal improvement programs that already exist for training/skill building to get a better job. The purpose of these programs would be to raise the poor into the "rest of the population" category.

    The rest of the population pays 10% flat. No exceptions.

    Company's, LLC's, S/C Corporations pay, 15% - no exceptions and regarless of size, market, etc.


    Very simple. Tax revenue's would rise, and we'd slow the "nickle & dime" us to death taxes on every product / service / function.
    this would castrate congress and that is why they oppose it

    buying the votes of the net tax consumers with our tax dollars is a main way libs get votes. Pretending to stop the rape of the industrious is how the right gets votes.

    BTW when the income tax was proposed one senator noted a NST would be more efficient--one of the tax's supporters noted that a NST would not give the government near as much power over the people



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Huh? Religion should have nothing to do with politics or government.
    of course it doesn't. did you read the blog?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I swear you just don't get it. It's about people taking responsibility for their actions. You **** someone, a pregnancy may result. If you can't feed em, don't breed em. Has nothing to do with not caring. It has everything to do with personal responsibility.
    i strongly believe in personal responsiblity. however, it's not always black and white. having an abortion can be considered taking responsibility as well.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I must disagree with you.

    If we have an income tax I believe everyone making and income should pay a flat percentage (I prefer a flat sales tax).

    While it is true a single parent making 20k a year will not have alot it is possible (even after paying taxes). It all amounts to what a person is willing to live with. There isnt a single healthy american who cannot support themselves (and family unless its an uncommon family) in the US if they put forth the effort. We as americans have simply come to expect to much imo.

    My father and I live on about $13k a year and we have everything we need. We have learned to live without so many of the things your average american has come to expect. While this may be poor in american standards, it is a far cry from starving to death as someone here mentioned (btw when was the last time and american starved to death you know first hand?).

    By allowing people to be exempt from contributing to society based on income we are only harming society as a whole as well as failing to push persons to better themselves. Some people simply will never achieve anything better unless forced to do so.

    My father as a child was forced to sleep outside 8-9 months of the year. The house my family lived in was approx 12x15 for 6 people. They were so poor the children had to forrage the countryside for food. They never had a full stomach. All this because my grandparents were to lazy to work (before the government had so many handout programs). This caused my father and aunts and uncles to strive to achieve so much more as adults (2 are millionairs now). I can tell you now that every single one of them hate entitlement programs and consider the "typical poor american" on government aid as whiney spoiled people. They (most) could get by by doing there fair share if they wernt spoiled and learned to live withen there means. If they are not happy with what they have they should strive for better not sit back and expect slack to be cut for them.

    I agree that truely disabled persons should have special considerations but most "poor" people do not fit this. Most people are poor (long term) becuase of poor choices they have made or simple lack of ambition. Why make those that have made better decisions and work to better themselves foot the bill?

    Im personally sick and tired of people boo hooing about the poor. Most of the time its there own doing and most can better there situation if they so wish. Its simply easier to sit around and complain about how little they have and how fate had tossed them a lemon then to get off there asses and do something about it.
    your father has brothers and sisters who are millionaires and you and he live on 13k a year? what kind of jobs do you have? are you in school?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this would castrate congress and that is why they oppose it

    buying the votes of the net tax consumers with our tax dollars is a main way libs get votes. Pretending to stop the rape of the industrious is how the right gets votes.

    BTW when the income tax was proposed one senator noted a NST would be more efficient--one of the tax's supporters noted that a NST would not give the government near as much power over the people
    Exactly... however, if we actually had one of the political party's back this and follow it through, they'd win political power while still giving back power from their manipulation of the tax code, back to the people. Yet the double edge here is that by relinquishing this power the government will get a bump in tax revenue's to pay down the national debt. IF the President then cut spending by say just 10% across the board - the national debt projections would be surprising such that we no longer have Bernanke out there claiming we're slipping down an unsustainable black hole.

    All of this comes down to political power over the people - neither party wants to relinquish it and we'll be in hock for the next 10 generations unless someone with backbone can convince these idiots otherwise. The solutions are there - no one wants to do them because it requires the political classes to give up power.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    I think everyone should pay, and I don't think we should have exemptions. Like child credits, marriage benefits, etc. should all be thrown out. There's no reason to pay less taxes just because you've had children. Everyone pays, X percent of their income and we're done.
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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Because it would not even remotely fund the responsibilities we have placed in the public sector.
    Then lessen those responsibilities.

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    I'll play the devil's advocate and say that it's a classic case of Robin Hood, but on a larger scale. Take from the rich, give to the needy. Tax the rich high, give the poor a break. It helps keep the money evenly dispersed.
    Yes -- from each accrding to his means to each according to his needs.
    Thanks, Karl.

    The money the government taxes will most likely go to improving the lives of the most poor,
    Its not MY responsibility to improve anyone's life, except mine, and only then if I choose to do so.

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