View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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Thread: Affirmative Action

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah, sure. Except for when companies must hire a certain number of minorities.
    show me something showing where a quota was imposed

    unless you can do that your comment is without substance
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It may not have been designed like that, but that's exactly how it is in practice. My alma mater's law school (the University of Michigan) had a well-publicized case about letting in minorities with significantly worse scores than whites because of some AA/quota problems. Or the firefighters in New England that had a state Supreme Court rip up promotion-ranking tests because minorities placed at the very bottom under all the whites.

    There are so many other cases, but you have the internet. Feel free to use it.
    it's clear from your post you haven't a clue about AA, even with the internet as a resource

    your profound ignorance of the firefighter case exposes you
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think anybody that is still racist in this day and age should be punished in some sorta way. So I guess my answer would be yes? I dunno.

    I know we are not our multiple great grandparents but what are we trying to do to wipe out racism and make it better? I have to say that Affirmative Action is one of the ways?
    So what punishment would you suggest for yourself?
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show me something showing where a quota was imposed

    unless you can do that your comment is without substance
    Go do some searches on "placement goals". You'll see a ****load of them from universities. I can't show you what every single company's placement goals are unless they post them on the internet. But I can't imagine that anyone who has been in a hiring position for very long *hasn't* been told that they needed to hire a minority to fill a position because they were low on minorities in a certain department.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    The court ruled for white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., who said city officials violated their rights when it threw out the results of a promotions test on which few minorities scored well. The case drew outsize attention because President Obama's nominee for the high court, Judge Sonia Sotomayor, had been part of a unanimous panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit that endorsed a lower-court ruling upholding New Haven's decision.

    The case was a victory for conservative groups and the firefighters, who said the city's resolution had amounted to denying promotions based on skin color. The court's conservatives prevailed in a decision that said employers needed a "strong basis in evidence" that a test is deficient before discarding the results, rather than just "raw racial statistics" that may indicate a subtle discrimination.

    "No individual should face workplace discrimination based on race," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the five-member majority.

    Civil rights groups said the decision would create a hurdle for employers, especially in the public sector, seeking to diversify their workforces without violating the law.

    The case has been used by Sotomayor critics as evidence that she allowed her personal preferences to influence her rulings, while her supporters said the decision was a straightforward application of court precedents.
    Looks like you should just shut your mouth and learn to read. Just like Sotomayor should learn to stop legislating from the bench.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    No. It has outlived it's usefulness and is just adding to the racial divide.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Go do some searches on "placement goals". You'll see a ****load of them from universities. I can't show you what every single company's placement goals are unless they post them on the internet. But I can't imagine that anyone who has been in a hiring position for very long *hasn't* been told that they needed to hire a minority to fill a position because they were low on minorities in a certain department.
    The fact that quotas existed for years. And top law and medical schools were given places to blacks with scores that no white gained admittance with., one poster noted that being black counted more at some Ivies than being a legacy. That is true (BTW in my college class legacies had higher averages overall then non legacies) Legacy admissions fund smart but lower middle class kids being able to go to uber-expensive places like Williams or Harvard. Selecting underqualified minorities benefits no one and causes alot of resentment



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    No one wants to live in the ghetto. Everyone wants to be a millionaire. What divides those that make it and those that live in poverty with kids by four different guys is desire, not opportunity.

    There is absolutely nothing that prevents minorities from doing well in school and being accepted to college except motivation. Affirmative action is detrimental to motivation.
    100% right

    Let me give an example. A guy I went to college with-lets call him "Bobbie" went to Exeter Academy. He then got into Yale with scores that 15 white exeter students couldn't get into schools like Hamilton or Haverford with.

    Bobby's father was a law professor, his brothers were at Goldman sachs or Solomon Brothers. He and I were on two sports teams-one varsity, one club. Bobby wanted to go to law school. He wanted to go to Yale. He noted all he needed was a 3.4 (If you were a white male you had to be at least in the 3.75 range and that presumed a 790-800 LSAT score).

    he knew he didn't have to work all that hard. HE got a 3.4 and 690 on the LSAT

    he got into Yale-no white within four deviations of that was accepted that year.

    He got through-Yale is pass fail

    he got hired at a big wall street firm

    he was up against Jewish, Asian and White boys who had really made top grades to get there.

    He lasted about a year

    he might have been as smart as the white or Asian guys

    he never had to train as hard to get to where they were

    Do you know why a few countries win most of the medals at the olympics

    its not just talent

    The years I tried out for the US olympic team I was better than the top people in 98% of the countries. I wasn't good enough to make team USA

    the guys who were did real well-they had to beat alot of people who were world class just to get there

    They had to train hard and smart to even make our team

    I beat Canada's best guys every time-same with England's Of course those teams didn't have a chance against our guys in my sport.

    IF you know you can make your team running a 4.05 minute mile you are going to have a hard time competiting against a guy who has to run 3.47 to make his

    if at 25 you suddenly have to train as hard as that guy, you will never catch him if he is used to it for 15 years



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    No one wants to live in the ghetto. Everyone wants to be a millionaire. What divides those that make it and those that live in poverty with kids by four different guys is desire, not opportunity.

    There is absolutely nothing that prevents minorities from doing well in school and being accepted to college except motivation. Affirmative action is detrimental to motivation.
    So you do not think environment can hold someone down? Esp. if you have been put there by no choice of your own? It is hard to do well in school when you are starving and having to deal with people wishing to gangbang your ass or trying to get you to join gang.

    You can have all the desire and motivation in the world but it is not gonna help if you are a a non-white person who is being judged and turned down due to skin color.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They do fail because of their culture. When you get a culture that doesn't value education, where the norm is lots of kids by lots of fathers and the typical means of explaining why they're not doing well is to point fingers at others, that's a massive problem, but you can't actually point out that the culture is bad, the race-baiters like Sharpton will scream that you're a racist.

    No, I'm just a realist.
    The same could be said of some of the Amish folks. I do not see people crying and bitching about them.
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