View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Cry me a river. It may upset some lily white person because a black person got a job over A.A. Guess they/whites shoulda thought about that before they decided to frigging enslave people!

    This is an action in reguards to trying to clean up the mess that the poor ole white man created. Do I give a crap if this makes some white white collar worker resentful? Hell frigging no. More like How Does It Feel! HA!
    So you agree with, and even promote, racism and sexism. Excellent.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    So you agree and even promote racism. Excellent.
    i think you are looking at this from a majority position

    you view this as taking a job from a white person by a minority

    AA requires that minority individual to be as qualified as the white applicant. then, the minority applicant gets the position to incrementally offset the long term disadvantage that minorities have sustained

    if the minority applicant is as qualified as the majority applicant, as is required under the law for AA practices to result, why do you find it is wrong to award that job to the fully qualified minority applicant instead of the qualified majority applicant?

    for extra credit. what process would you use instead in that circumstance of equal qualifications to award the job?
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i think you are looking at this from a majority position

    you view this as taking a job from a white person by a minority
    No. I view it as hiring someone based on their gender and skin color. Which is racist/sexist.

    if the minority applicant is as qualified as the majority applicant, as is required under the law for AA practices to result, why do you find it is wrong to award that job to the fully qualified minority applicant instead of the qualified majority applicant?
    First off, employers should be allowed to hire whoever the **** they want for whatever reason they want. And the government should not FORCE them to hire someone just because the applicant has tits or a darker skin tone.

    for extra credit. what process would you use instead in that circumstance of equal qualifications to award the job?
    Personality assessment. That's what *I* do when I'm looking to hire. I don't give a **** what their skin color is, or if they have tits or not. Nor SHOULD I. I hire the person I feel is best for the job. Period. Anything else would be detrimental for my department. And, I should never be forced to hire someone just because of their skin pigmentation or what's between their legs

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    But see I do not buy into this myth that people living in the ghetto do not wish to get out. We need to have more social programs to help them get some kind of job skill training or college, help them with learning how to get a job and also help them with clothing to get that job. Some of them feel stuck and it is the only life they know. We need programs to help expose them to other ways to live and let them know you CAN make it. We also need more mental health programs to help these people deal.

    Agree: they want to get out and do not agree with they do not want to work. Are there some that are just lazy ass and do not want to strike a lick? Sure. But in my heart know a lot of them do want to get out but do not know how. They really feel trapped and as if that is their only way. I bet if we could go around and interview people and ask them? I bet at least 85- 90% would say they WANT to get out. The key is figuring out how to get them to DO It.

    The living conditions that some of these people are in must have a real play on their self-esteem and they feel worthless, hopeless, etc. They feel trapped. We must find a way to show them they are Worthy of better and we must find a way to get em out if they want out.
    No one wants to live in the ghetto. Everyone wants to be a millionaire. What divides those that make it and those that live in poverty with kids by four different guys is desire, not opportunity.

    There is absolutely nothing that prevents minorities from doing well in school and being accepted to college except motivation. Affirmative action is detrimental to motivation.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    No one wants to live in the ghetto. Everyone wants to be a millionaire. What divides those that make it and those that live in poverty with kids by four different guys is desire, not opportunity.

    There is absolutely nothing that prevents minorities from doing well in school and being accepted to college except motivation. Affirmative action is detrimental to motivation.
    how is AA detrimental to motivation?
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and what is your excuse for the poor majority citizens who fail if not their culture
    this is especially significant recognizing that they represent the largest segment of the population requiring government assistance
    They do fail because of their culture. When you get a culture that doesn't value education, where the norm is lots of kids by lots of fathers and the typical means of explaining why they're not doing well is to point fingers at others, that's a massive problem, but you can't actually point out that the culture is bad, the race-baiters like Sharpton will scream that you're a racist.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how is AA detrimental to motivation?
    If you have a leg up from the next guy for something as silly as skin tone, you don't need to try as hard. That's just human nature.

    Put another way, if a white, middle class kid wants to go to Harvard, they have to work their ass off and still cross their fingers. A black kid from the ghetto will not need to work as hard, because just checking off "African American" on their application gives them a huge boost.

    I'd think it'd be insulting. AA is basically telling the minorities that they can't get in on their own merits. If someone hired me because I was female, I'd quit out of shame.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    If someone hired me because I was female, I'd quit out of shame.
    I was about to say the same thing. If I found out I was hired because I had tits, I'd walk out then and there. I would be insulted beyond belief. (unless of course my job required I had tits LOL)

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I was about to say the same thing. If I found out I was hired because I had tits, I'd walk out then and there. I would be insulted beyond belief. (unless of course my job required I had tits LOL)
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They do fail because of their culture. When you get a culture that doesn't value education, where the norm is lots of kids by lots of fathers and the typical means of explaining why they're not doing well is to point fingers at others, that's a massive problem, but you can't actually point out that the culture is bad, the race-baiters like Sharpton will scream that you're a racist.
    where to begin?
    so, even tho the largest portion of the welfare budget goes to white recipients, you want to insist that it is the black culture which has a cultural problem ... all the while ignoring the conditions that cause the white welfare recipients to be on the dole
    you seem to believe that only black women have children by different fathers. your conclusion is beyond absurd
    and you accuse blacks as being the ones to point racially motivated fingers


    No, I'm just a realist.
    well, we can agree that what you are does begin with an "r" and end with "...ist"
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