View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well if the parents would get off the crack pipe this problem would not be nearly as big in the inner city.
    Wow. Just Wow. You are part of the problem as you cannot "see" the problem. You think everybody living up in the hood is hitting the pipe? Of course not and even if they are? Are you gonna blame these kids for it? Not wanna help them? What is wrong with you?
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is the most ridicules non answer I have ever seen. It has nothing to do with what I said. I call B.S.
    So you do not think people would be bitching about the "poor" folks getting over on others? You know it would happen and that is why all you had to say was that my REAL answer was B.S.

    Honey let me school you on something you should know by now: only a few people give a crap about poor people and much less poor non-white people.

    If people REALLY cared? There would be no hungry kids in our country. There would be no reason for AA or anything else if the majority gave a **** but guess what? They do NOT!

    We wanna act as if we can save the goddamn world while kids sitting up here in the U.S.A. are going to bed with no food to eat. We spend billions of helping other kids but we got people bitching about helping kids here at home? We really gonnna get all MAD about A.A.? REALLY????? How about direct your anger and outrage over something that matters. You know like taking care of people and the kids at home first!

    But people wanna be all pissed cause we give someone an education, job, etc. to because they do deserve it?

    What the hell is wrong with this picture? I will tell you what: it is all kinds of wrong to think people can simply rise out of the hood, it is simply wrong to suggest that because a "few" have done it that there is nothing stopping it.

    The fact of the matter at hand is that racism and sexism is real and still here. All the while people that do not bitch about helping others outside our country are sitting here running off at the damn mouth about **** they know nothing about. Like Racism and Sexism.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree with most of your post.

    My problem is programs like affirmative action is not addressing the problem. It instead is making it worse, and creating a racial rift. It is in my opinion adding to this entitlement mentality that is completely screwing up the black community as bad as the drug trade. It's not just the inner city either.

    Like you I don't know the answer. I do know things like affirmative action have long outlived it's usefulness.
    The only "racial rift" it creates is by people who are racist and do not understand this problem.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    My tax money should not go to subsidizing stupidity - black, white, or otherwise.

    So you would rather it go to stupid blue collar criminals or something? Maybe help bail em out??
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Wow. Just Wow. You are part of the problem as you cannot "see" the problem. You think everybody living up in the hood is hitting the pipe? Of course not and even if they are? Are you gonna blame these kids for it? Not wanna help them? What is wrong with you?
    Taking one line out of context and outrageous exaggerated claims is just stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    So you do not think people would be bitching about the "poor" folks getting over on others? You know it would happen and that is why all you had to say was that my REAL answer was B.S.
    Your comment had nothing to do with what I said, nothing at all. Just like this one.

    When you are not the most qualified for a position, you are not qualified for that position, period.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Honey let me school you on something you should know by now: only a few people give a crap about poor people and much less poor non-white people.
    You have got to be kidding. Then again maybe not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If people REALLY cared? There would be no hungry kids in our country. There would be no reason for AA or anything else if the majority gave a **** but guess what? They do NOT!

    We wanna act as if we can save the goddamn world while kids sitting up here in the U.S.A. are going to bed with no food to eat. We spend billions of helping other kids but we got people bitching about helping kids here at home? We really gonnna get all MAD about A.A.? REALLY????? How about direct your anger and outrage over something that matters. You know like taking care of people and the kids at home first!

    But people wanna be all pissed cause we give someone an education, job, etc. to because they do deserve it?

    What the hell is wrong with this picture? I will tell you what: it is all kinds of wrong to think people can simply rise out of the hood, it is simply wrong to suggest that because a "few" have done it that there is nothing stopping it.

    The fact of the matter at hand is that racism and sexism is real and still here. All the while people that do not bitch about helping others outside our country are sitting here running off at the damn mouth about **** they know nothing about. Like Racism and Sexism.
    This has to be one of the most uneducated rants I have seen in awhile. It is not really even worth responding to, really. It is just so absured and over the top. Bah typical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The only "racial rift" it creates is by people who are racist and do not understand this problem.
    So now people are racist because they don't understand a problem.

    This I can help you with...

    Racist - noun
    1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

    2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. <----- Hmmm Sounds like Affirmative Action. The dictionary must be racist!.

    3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


    No mention of not understanding a problem making you racist.

    You cannot hope to understand a problem when you don't even understand the words involved.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The only "racial rift" it creates is by people who are racist and do not understand this problem.
    Really? So the people who think that minorities are just as good as everyone else and are quite capable of doing what we want on our own... *we're* the racist and sexist ones? We give minorities more credit than you do, we actually think that we have what it takes to survive like everyone else, and WE'RE the racist/sexist ones?

    Please do explain that to me.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No, of course not. Environment is probably the biggest factor though.
    So, do children choose their home environment?

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    Some geneticists would agree with that assertion, yes.
    Some neurologists would tell you that brain development is stunted by early childhood trauma.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I don't see what minorities being disproportionately poor has to do with AA. Why is a middle class African-American child in a stable family any more deserving of advantages than a poor White child with a single mother? Aid should be based on need, not skin color.
    Awesome. You've reached the point that the rest of us got to about 2 pages ago.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Some neurologists would tell you that brain development is stunted by early childhood trauma.
    Might it affect grades? Possibly.
    However, I highly doubt it affects their natural ability to learn/think.

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