View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. People would bitch and gripe about people unqualified to do the job.



    No one resents or hates people simply based on them being poor. This is a really lame argument and completely and utterly false.

    Please feel free to point out who has said this?
    Really? Then why are people always bitching about people on welfare? I call B.S.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    First hand? No. My best friend teaches middle school in the inner city though. Even given her tendency to exaggerate, it's not that bad. Certainly not to the degree that it would prevent a kid from getting a decent grade if they tried hard enough.

    Impossible is a strong word and indicates a serious inability to look at a situation objectively. Oh look, I can subtly insult you too.
    Sorry but in a lot of places? Inner city kids go to sleep with no food, wake up with no food and repeat this over and over again. Then people expect them to somehow "Rise Up" out of that. Kinda hard to rise up and get good grades when the highlight of your day is a free lunch and not getting shot by a stray bullet.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How so? I saw it many a time when I was in college. Rich black kids goofing off because they knew they could get into top grad schools with much lower GPAs then us white boys. The black guys who made top grades were respected by everyone except the goof offs who called them "uncle tom's or "acting white"
    See. There is something just with This post that does not sit well with me. I am sure you are not a racist and a lovely person but honestly: were ya sitting around hawking the rich black kids or something??
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Sorry but in a lot of places? Inner city kids go to sleep with no food, wake up with no food and repeat this over and over again. Then people expect them to somehow "Rise Up" out of that. Kinda hard to rise up and get good grades when the highlight of your day is a free lunch and not getting shot by a stray bullet.
    excellent point
    if the essential elements of the hierarchy of needs are not being met, why should we expect the students (or their parents) to be focused on educational attainment instead
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Really? Then why are people always bitching about people on welfare? I call B.S.
    This is the most ridicules non answer I have ever seen. It has nothing to do with what I said. I call B.S.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    excellent point
    if the essential elements of the hierarchy of needs are not being met, why should we expect the students (or their parents) to be focused on educational attainment instead
    Absolutely. They should focus on crack instead. I mean that is the main reason people are going hungry, specifically children.

    Keep making excuses.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Sorry but in a lot of places? Inner city kids go to sleep with no food, wake up with no food and repeat this over and over again. Then people expect them to somehow "Rise Up" out of that. Kinda hard to rise up and get good grades when the highlight of your day is a free lunch and not getting shot by a stray bullet.
    Well if the parents would get off the crack pipe this problem would not be nearly as big in the inner city.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Absolutely. They should focus on crack instead. I mean that is the main reason people are going hungry, specifically children.

    Keep making excuses.
    no excuse there

    an explanation

    if a kid has not been adequately fed, or arrives at school without enough sleep, or is concerned about his/her family's physical well being, it is not surprising the student's focus would be on those needs instead of school work

    not a desirable circumstance, but one which explains the disparity of achievement

    but (supposedly) being from the minority community and thus having what you believe to be a superior insight into the black culture, explain what about my statement is wrong
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Sorry but in a lot of places? Inner city kids go to sleep with no food, wake up with no food and repeat this over and over again. Then people expect them to somehow "Rise Up" out of that. Kinda hard to rise up and get good grades when the highlight of your day is a free lunch and not getting shot by a stray bullet.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    excellent point
    if the essential elements of the hierarchy of needs are not being met, why should we expect the students (or their parents) to be focused on educational attainment instead
    And again, this has nothing to do with race, gender, or AA.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    And again, this has nothing to do with race, gender, or AA.
    Except for the fact that black kids are much more likely to grow up poor and in dysfunctional crime-ridden communities than black kids, per capita.

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