View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Don't kid yourself. The people who graduate from Yale Law School, Harvard Law School, or Stanford Medical school are mostly brilliant.
    FYP to accommodate my future alma mater.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How so? I saw it many a time when I was in college. Rich black kids goofing off because they knew they could get into top grad schools with much lower GPAs then us white boys. The black guys who made top grades were respected by everyone except the goof offs who called them "uncle tom's or "acting white"
    It was not that. It was the over the top generalization that any minority with a 3.0 GPA is a slacker. Maybe the people YOU saw were. I went to a community college. So not all black or hell any minority with a GPA of 3.0 is slacking.

    Not everyone can be above average intelligence. We are all different.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    FYP to accomodate my future alma mater.
    Harvard being much bigger has a few more dullards

    Good luck but it depends on what sort of education you want. Harvard is a top school. But if you want a smaller school (and can get in) Yale's the best with places like Cornell and Chicago, and Duke very close. Yale and Chicago tend to turn out Law Professors, while Columbia and Cornell aren't as "academic" but more practical. G'town, not surprisingly is strong in government and administrative issues.



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It was not that. It was the over the top generalization that any minority with a 3.0 GPA is a slacker. Maybe the people YOU saw were. I went to a community college. So not all black or hell any minority with a GPA of 3.0 is slacking.

    Not everyone can be above average intelligence. We are all different.
    True-someone could work their butt off and a 3.0 is their best effort. In all fairness, if you didn't cut class at yale and did the assigned readings you were gonna get at least a B+

    But what I saw were lots of well off black kids not making the effort we white boys did because they didn't have to. while there are those students who really love learning and studying, I think it is fair to say most students see grinding as a means to an end-honors, good job, prestigious grad school

    Its like when I was a teaching pro in squash. I did wind sprints all the time but not because I wanted to but because my students or the other pros I played did too. If the squash God had told me I could beat Mark Talbott 4 out of 5 times without training, I never would have done that stuff like running up and down the stairs of the stadium of the college I coached at 4X a week for 4 years



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Harvard being much bigger has a few more dullards

    Good luck but it depends on what sort of education you want. Harvard is a top school. But if you want a smaller school (and can get in) Yale's the best with places like Cornell and Chicago, and Duke very close. Yale and Chicago tend to turn out Law Professors, while Columbia and Cornell aren't as "academic" but more practical. G'town, not surprisingly is strong in government and administrative issues.
    Those are all incredibly luxe institutions, but Harvard is Harvard.
    My cupidity for knowledge is second to none. It's pretty telling when your teachers are replete with jealousy because your vocabulary is so insuperably sublime.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    Those are all incredibly luxe institutions, but Harvard is Harvard.
    My cupidity for knowledge is second to none. It's pretty telling when your teachers are replete with jealousy because your vocabulary is so insuperably sublime.
    Go for it, you seem like you have the stuff to go head to head with Arthur Miller or Alan Doucheawitz



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Go for it, you seem like you have the stuff to go head to head with Arthur Miller or Alan Doucheawitz
    Enmity held over from O.J.?

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    Enmity held over from O.J.?
    nah not at all. He's got a big Ego. So does Miller. Ever see the Paper Chase

    You can stand up and call one of them a "son of a bitch"

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    True-someone could work their butt off and a 3.0 is their best effort. In all fairness, if you didn't cut class at yale and did the assigned readings you were gonna get at least a B+

    But what I saw were lots of well off black kids not making the effort we white boys did because they didn't have to. while there are those students who really love learning and studying, I think it is fair to say most students see grinding as a means to an end-honors, good job, prestigious grad schools
    I had a lot of friends who worked very hard in school. They regularly earned A's or A-'s. I could work very little and earn B+'s. I saw no point to being a grind and earning an A when I could have a good time and earn a B+.

    25 years later, we all earn about the same amount. But I like my job a lot more than they like theirs.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I had a lot of friends who worked very hard in school. They regularly earned A's or A-'s. I could work very little and earn B+'s. I saw no point to being a grind and earning an A when I could have a good time and earn a B+.

    25 years later, we all earn about the same amount. But I like my job a lot more than they like theirs.
    I saw the same thing in Law school. I got the dream job I wanted and was not Order of the Coif. Plus I was coaching a collegiate sport while attending law school. It made my years there alot more enjoyable -while I was traveling to Dartmouth or Princeton with the team, a couple of the geeks were checking citations on some professor's arcane law review article involving some provision of the tax code they haven't seen for 25 years.



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