View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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Thread: Affirmative Action

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do not consider it racism and sexism. You do. The reason we need it is because people who are doing the hiring think like some of you in this thread.
    You may not consider it such, but it is. Hiring someone based on their race or gender is racism/sexism. I'd love to see the logical explanation of how it's NOT.

    This thread is a major prime example of the WHY we need AA.
    What precisely are examples in this thread of why we need AA? Minorities in this thread explaining how condescending and insulting it is? People in this thread with the knowledge that minorities are quite capable of handling their lives without the government requiring people to hire them?

    Who is it here that thinks minorities aren't good enough on their own and that they need government help to "even the playing field"? It's surely not those of us against AA. Those of us against AA think minorities have what it takes to stand on their own two feet. What I think is sad is that you, and others in this thread, do not think that they have what it takes.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    What I'd prefer to see in place of AA, Welfare and a whole lot of other crap, is a program designed to help someone who doesn't have marketable job skills. Get them retrained to do another job, one that is in demand, and back in the workforce being productive. That's a hand UP instead of a handOUT.

    THAT kind of social safety net is one I could live with.

    Possibly there was a need for AA back forty years ago... I believe that need has evaporated with changes in our society.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What I'd prefer to see in place of AA, Welfare and a whole lot of other crap, is a program designed to help someone who doesn't have marketable job skills. Get them retrained to do another job, one that is in demand, and back in the workforce being productive. That's a hand UP instead of a handOUT.

    THAT kind of social safety net is one I could live with.

    Possibly there was a need for AA back forty years ago... I believe that need has evaporated with changes in our society.
    I agree that AA was once needed but never in the way it was practiced. Telling second generation American Jewish boys they can't get into Harvard or Michigan Law with 4-0 averages because some black loafer with a 3.0 needed that slot more because his great great great great great grandparent was sold into slavery by his great great great great great great second cousin and because the Jewish Guy's ancestors were in poland when that stuff was going on (but hey he is white so he must have been Robert E Lee's direct descendent) is complete and utter BS and racist.



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I agree that AA was once needed but never in the way it was practiced. Telling second generation American Jewish boys they can't get into Harvard or Michigan Law with 4-0 averages because some black loafer with a 3.0 needed that slot more because his great great great great great grandparent was sold into slavery by his great great great great great great second cousin and because the Jewish Guy's ancestors were in poland when that stuff was going on (but hey he is white so he must have been Robert E Lee's direct descendent) is complete and utter BS and racist.
    Some black loafer with a 3.0? I held a 3.8 and I worked my ass off.

    You are really close to the edge with that off color comment.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Please, you know it happens.

    I want everyone to go on College Confidential, or a similar site, and see what the posted SAT/ACT/GPAs are. Then, see the ethnicity.

    There's cases of Hispanics and Blacks getting into competitive schools with SATs/ACTs substantially lower than white counterparts; for little or no reason.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Please, you know it happens.
    Did you bother to read anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I want everyone to go on College Confidential, or a similar site, and see what the posted SAT/ACT/GPAs are. Then, see the ethnicity.

    There's cases of Hispanics and Blacks getting into competitive schools with SATs/ACTs substantially lower than white counterparts; for little or no reason.
    Obviously not.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Some black loafer with a 3.0? I held a 3.8 and I worked my ass off.

    You are really close to the edge with that off color comment.
    So you think you should get in over someone with a 4.0 based on your race?

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    So you think you should get in over someone with a 4.0 based on your race?
    You have seen what I have written correct? So why would you ask such a silly question?

    It was the racist undertone in his statement. Just because someone has a 3.0 GPA they are now a loafer? Well most of the human race is loafing.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    There is absolutely nothing that prevents minorities from doing well in school and being accepted to college except motivation. Affirmative action is detrimental to motivation.
    That's a nice thought. Seriously, it is. But, have you spent much time in inner city schools? I'm kinda thinking you haven't. There are a lot of failing school districts out there where kids are learning in substandard conditions and being taught by substandard teachers. And all too many of those kids live in substandard conditions at home...in fact, conditions that would make it impossible for anyone to learn.

    Not everyone is dealt the same hand at birth.

    I agree that affirmative action is outdated and needs to be phased out. But your post demonstrates a serious lack of information about how some kids live in America today.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have seen what I have written correct? So why would you ask such a silly question?

    It was the racist undertone in his statement. Just because someone has a 3.0 GPA they are now a loafer? Well most of the human race is loafing.
    I had a 2.9 when I graduated from college. I guess that makes me an uber-loafer.

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