View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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Thread: Affirmative Action

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Even if minorities had nothing they still shouldn't have their own scholarship. Instead they should have made a scholarship for those who are poor regardless of race. We do have the Pell Grant (of which I am a receiver), but we also have scholarships for simply being African American. An ironic thing is that there was a white guy from South Africa who moved to the US. He signed up for the African American scholarship (because technically he is African American) and was denied it because he was white. Would it be racist if there was a whites only scholarship fund? Essentially they are giving free money to those of a certain race, while at the same time denying others that money because of their race and having less in other scholarships because the blacks only scholarship does suck up funding.
    If it's a public scholarship, that's wrong. I believe though that it's a private scholarship so they can do whatever they want. If I want to set up a scholarship for white, female, Wiccan triathletes it's my money and my choice.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    If it's a public scholarship, that's wrong. I believe though that it's a private scholarship so they can do whatever they want. If I want to set up a scholarship for white, female, Wiccan triathletes it's my money and my choice.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Racism and sexism are needed? Since when?
    no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
    glad you finally agree
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
    glad you finally agree
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
    glad you finally agree
    AA IS racism and sexism. So it's kind of contradictory to say that racism and sexism aren't needed but yet racism and sexism are needed.

    You can't fight racism/sexism WITH racism and sexism.

    And once more, we don't need the training wheels or step stools. We are quite capable of succeeding on our own merit and skills, and do not, by any means, require the government to force people to hire us.

    Thanks but no thanks for the condensation and pity. We don't need it.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I tend to agree. If AA programmes were reorganised to focus on economic deprivation, rather than social group membership, many of the gripes and anomalies would disappear. Of course, there would still be people who believe that society functions just fine without any intervention, but Rivrrat apart I think that widespread public support for such a move would result.
    But as I pointed out people would just bitch and gripe about helping poor people. They already do in reguards to a lot of social programs and welfare. People would just resent and hate poor people even more than they already do
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Racism and sexism are needed? Since when?
    I do not consider it racism and sexism. You do. The reason we need it is because people who are doing the hiring think like some of you in this thread. This thread is a major prime example of the WHY we need AA.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
    glad you finally agree
    Well said! I find this thread sad but it is nice to see others here that do understand this whole thing
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    But as I pointed out people would just bitch and gripe about helping poor people.
    No. People would bitch and gripe about people unqualified to do the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    They already do in reguards to a lot of social programs and welfare. People would just resent and hate poor people even more than they already do
    No one resents or hates people simply based on them being poor. This is a really lame argument and completely and utterly false.

    Please feel free to point out who has said this?
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do not consider it racism and sexism. You do. The reason we need it is because people who are doing the hiring think like some of you in this thread. This thread is a major prime example of the WHY we need AA.
    Wow thats a hell of an argument.

    This thread is exactly why we no longer need it.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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