View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
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    Tuition insurance? Damn, wish I'd have known about that ...

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Total B.S. Most of those polygamy groups out in Utah are on welfare. I should have said Mormons not Amish. There is also a big underground of pedophila going on with a lot of them and some do not even try to hide it by marrying off their young women at very young ages. Not to mention the inbreeding factor.

    Totally OT though.
    I can only respond to what you say, not what you wish you had said. I'll agree with you about the problems with Mormonism, just like there are problems with lots of fringe religious groups. However, I still don't see them jumping up on soap-boxes and screaming that it's everyone else's fault they're having problems.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I do see your point. but I have found that if you just allow people to vent, with out objection, or ridicule, they often get it all out of their system, and chill out. the problem is, we often just add more wood to the fire. I feel people can get un-pissed, in the same shorts they got pissed in. I don't really care. I have problems of my own, that I try to ignore.
    It only works if people are venting about rational things to begin with. When everyone is playing the victim and race cards, then acting in every bit as racist as the people they're pointing fingers at, it's not venting, it's ridiculous.

    That's what a lot of the "black community" does, especially their supposed spokesmen.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    AA is reverse racism. We'll achieve true equality when crap like AA vanishes. It should be a meritorious system and have nothing to do with race/gender/orientaton/et al.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali
    Bill Cosby was attacked because he seems to have fallen out of touch with his own culture. He is just another old geezer who does not "get" the younger generation.
    Hmm, let's see here.

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    Yup, I can see why he's ostracized by his own people. Black culture is the same culture that states when a black person speaks intelligently, eloquently, and with clear inflection he's "talking white".

    For most white people I know, being called a "thug" or a "pimp" is derogatory. For most blacks I know, it's a moniker of respect.

    Speaks volumes, huh.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    AA is reverse racism. We'll achieve true equality when crap like AA vanishes. It should be a meritorious system and have nothing to do with race/gender/orientaton/et al.
    I'm sure that when education, employment and social preferment become merit-based and discrimination on the basis of race/gender and orientation cease, so will AA. Until that day, far in the future, it will still have a role to play.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm sure that when education, employment and social preferment become merit-based and discrimination on the basis of race/gender and orientation cease, so will AA. Until that day, far in the future, it will still have a role to play.
    ROFL

    AA prevents education and employment from being merit based, and AA *is* discrimination on the basis of race/gender. So, as long as AA exists, discrimination will exist, and fewer people will be employed/educated based on merit alone. AA not only IS mandated racism/sexism, it also fosters racism/sexism along with resentment.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    ROFL

    AA prevents education and employment from being merit based, and AA *is* discrimination on the basis of race/gender. So, as long as AA exists, discrimination will exist, and fewer people will be employed/educated based on merit alone. AA not only IS mandated racism/sexism, it also fosters racism/sexism along with resentment.
    I see. So before the first attempts at AA (how long ago was that? 20 years?) there was no discrimination? Black people, women and LGBT people always had the same access and opportunities that the good 'ol white, hetero boys had. It was AA caused all the trouble.

    You saying discrimination doesn't exist? Or are you saying that it does exist but nothing should be done about it? I'm guessing the latter.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm sure that when education, employment and social preferment become merit-based and discrimination on the basis of race/gender and orientation cease, so will AA. Until that day, far in the future, it will still have a role to play.
    Any proof that education/employment/social preferment is still prevalent? The only time I hear of someone having an upper hand based on sex/race/orientation is when AA is pushing one of their less qualified candidates through.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    Any proof that education/employment/social preferment is still prevalent?
    Masses, but you're not interested in hearing about it, otherwise you'd be able to find it at the click of a mouse.
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