View Poll Results: Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

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  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    6 7.59%
  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    6 7.59%
  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    35 44.30%
  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    50 63.29%
  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    45 56.96%
  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    2 2.53%
  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    1 1.27%
  • Other, please specify

    11 13.92%
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    any attorney worth his salt would not make the case for the opposition. and yet you have done so
    thank you for pointing out that Obama benefitted from AA and recognizing how much he has accomplished, which would not otherwise have precipitated but for the application of AA principles
    from your posts, it is clear you are the last person to criticize someone with ostensibly weak skills being accepted into law school
    What exactly did Obama really accomplish on his own? being a puppet for a corrupt dem machine? A harvard law review president who was not able to have an article published in the law review? a guy who didn't clerk for the supreme court when his race and presidency would have guaranteed an offer from one of the liberal justices? a "lecturer" at Chicago when most HLR Presidents went in as tenure track professors.

    for someone who wants to try to counter my logical arguments with infantile pesonal insults--you ought to establish what sort of trade and "skoolin" you have that puts you in a position to utter such rants



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yeah, whatev.

    I would have picked you for the teaching position.
    Several of the students in question ended up clerking in the office I am now a part of. They said the same thing--she only lasted a couple years

    The good news is that I make far more and have "tenure" so to say

    But thanks (weren't you thinking of Law School at one time?)



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    There are so many opportunities out there for everyone. Hell, it's almost to the point where you can't get flip for a college scholarship if you're a white male. And you know what? That's fine with me. My demographic isn't the concern. It's for these ghetto blacks who think the only way to be successful is to be a baller, a rapper, or a dealer. That mentality is what has to be broken, or the cycle of failure keeps going and going.
    If you live in a society where the education you're given (and told to feel oh-so-grateful for) leaves you with not the slightest chance of making a decent college on academics, and a society that showers ball-players, rappers and drug dealers with more money than a teacher, nurse or cop will ever see, then who wouldn't say 'screw education, let's make money from what we've got'?

    I'm not against adequate education, but I am against equivalent. Financially successful parents should have a right to a higher level of education for their children, be they white, black, green or red. Children are not equal; some have a strong desire to get good grades, prepare for a future, and envision a plan to succeed.
    So where's that commitment to equality of opportunity you were talking about at the beginning of this post? And what do you deem to be an 'adequate' education for kids whose parents aren't rich? Do you want the key determinant of educational success to be the size of the parental pocket? Either you believe in equality of opportunity or you don't. There's no such thing as relative equality. It's an either/or equation; equal or unequal.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Several of the students in question ended up clerking in the office I am now a part of. They said the same thing--she only lasted a couple years

    The good news is that I make far more and have "tenure" so to say

    But thanks (weren't you thinking of Law School at one time?)
    I was. Still wonder some times. I think it would suit my personality, but the price and the length of law school is turning me off right now.

    I was mostly just sucking up so you would go easy on me next time we debate.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If you live in a society where the education you're given (and told to feel oh-so-grateful for) leaves you with not the slightest chance of making a decent college on academics, and a society that showers ball-players, rappers and drug dealers with more money than a teacher, nurse or cop will ever see, then who wouldn't say 'screw education, let's make money from what we've got'?
    Luckily that's not the society we live in. If you make decent (above a 3.0) grades in any high school, you will get in to a state university.

    If money's what they're after, they should choose a different profession. There's plenty that pay well, if you want to work at it.
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    What exactly did Obama really accomplish on his own?
    that harvard law review position
    senate seat
    presidency
    nobel prize for peace
    nothing notable there in your very biased view i take it

    being a puppet for a corrupt dem machine?
    yes. i noticed how he rolled over and allowed hillary to take the white house as had been widely anticipated
    how he called bill out for making racially tinged comments
    what a dem puppet

    A harvard law review president who was not able to have an article published in the law review?
    you do know that position does not anticipate that his material being entered. ooops, i forgot, only someone who was familiar with the law would understand that. you are excused

    a guy who didn't clerk for the supreme court when his race and presidency would have guaranteed an offer from one of the liberal justices?
    so now you expect him to use his race to his advantage. would you please make up your mind whether you are for or against that kind of activity

    a "lecturer" at Chicago when most HLR Presidents went in as tenure track professors.
    what a dummy he was. didn't he see that his choice of career track was going to propel him into the white house with the added honor of being awarded the Nobel peace prize
    he should have followed your direction instead. no doubt that would have taken him farther

    for someone who wants to try to counter my logical arguments with infantile pesonal insults--you ought to establish what sort of trade and "skoolin" you have that puts you in a position to utter such rants
    i would love for you to actually make a logical argument. then this would be a true debate and i would no longer fell like i am taking advantage of your very obvious weakness. as it is, your comments are so sophomoric and insubstantial i force myself to type rebuttals to your posts slowly, with but one hand, in the hopes you will catch up
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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue
    If you live in a society where the education you're given (and told to feel oh-so-grateful for) leaves you with not the slightest chance of making a decent college on academics, and a society that showers ball-players, rappers and drug dealers with more money than a teacher, nurse or cop will ever see, then who wouldn't say 'screw education, let's make money from what we've got'?
    There is no amount of education that is necessary to realize that making it big in the NBA or on Def Jam records is akin odds-wise to hitting the lottery. Would you live your life on the premise that you'll eventually make it big doing nothing but buying tickets at the local lottery store? I would assume no, as would I. However, if that's what they want to do, they have that right. I also have a right not to be financially punished by their mental ineptitude and laziness.

    All I'm saying is that everyone has paths. If they don't want to take the "right path" because it's too damn hard, that's not my problem. They can live in squalor and dodge bullets in the ghetto and I'll sleep well in spite of that. Be careful what you wish for.

    So where's that commitment to equality of opportunity you were talking about at the beginning of this post? And what do you deem to be an 'adequate' education for kids whose parents aren't rich? Do you want the key determinant of educational success to be the size of the parental pocket? Either you believe in equality of opportunity or you don't. There's no such thing as relative equality. It's an either/or equation; equal or unequal.
    Of course there's not equality of opportunity. All men were not created equal, despite what an archaic piece of paper says. Even after they're created, they become less equal. My argument is that, while some people may have longer and harder paths to success, they still have the path. For all the disadvantages they have, they are given plenty of advantages too. It'll never be equal; to think otherwise is foolish idealism. My argument is that it's still a possibility.

    I grew up latchkey with a mom who dropped out and made slightly above minimum wage doing factory grunt work. I could've very easily just eeked through high school and jumped into some manual labor job and dodged a TON of the hardships I faced as a lower-middle class white male trying to claw his way to a degree with high honors. I'm not a movie of the week. I'm not a morality story. I'm just a guy who saw his mother and his life, and wanted more. And I had absolutely no problem sacrificing for it.

    If someone wants to take the path of least resistence, they won't get a damned bit of sympathy from me.

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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I was. Still wonder some times. I think it would suit my personality, but the price and the length of law school is turning me off right now.

    I was mostly just sucking up so you would go easy on me next time we debate.
    why go easy on you--you don't need "affirmative action".



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that harvard law review position
    senate seat
    presidency
    nobel prize for peace
    nothing notable there in your very biased view i take it


    yes. i noticed how he rolled over and allowed hillary to take the white house as had been widely anticipated
    how he called bill out for making racially tinged comments
    what a dem puppet


    you do know that position does not anticipate that his material being entered. ooops, i forgot, only someone who was familiar with the law would understand that. you are excused


    so now you expect him to use his race to his advantage. would you please make up your mind whether you are for or against that kind of activity


    what a dummy he was. didn't he see that his choice of career track was going to propel him into the white house with the added honor of being awarded the Nobel peace prize
    he should have followed your direction instead. no doubt that would have taken him farther


    i would love for you to actually make a logical argument. then this would be a true debate and i would no longer fell like i am taking advantage of your very obvious weakness. as it is, your comments are so sophomoric and insubstantial i force myself to type rebuttals to your posts slowly, with but one hand, in the hopes you will catch up
    LOL so tell me what he did to EARN that Nobel Prize


    my grades were far higher than Obama's coming out of college--I didn't need affirmative action to get into major law schools

    Do you really believe a white guy would have been able to get into Harvard with a B/B+ average?


    You confuse getting something despite being black vs getting something because you are black.

    Obama is nothing more than a puppet and he certainly was not anywhere near the most qualified person to get what he has been given



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    Re: Affirmative Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL so tell me what he did to EARN that Nobel Prize
    seems you have a quibble with the Nobel award committee
    but show us your Nobel, so that we can see your objection is not out of envy


    my grades were far higher than Obama's coming out of college--I didn't need affirmative action to get into major law schools
    yes, from the "depth" of your posts i can observe how amazing you are

    Do you really believe a white guy would have been able to get into Harvard with a B/B+ average?
    and that he would make harvard review on top of it
    or then go on to be a senator
    then be elected president, the most powerful person in the world
    and a Nobel winner
    think how much better Obama would have performed if he had only earned "A"s


    You confuse getting something despite being black vs getting something because you are black.
    you are the one who is confused. first, you object to AA, then you complain because Obama did not use his race to his advantage to get prime clerking opportunities
    don't let your law school see your posts ... they would be profoundly disappointed by the absence of logic and the presence of inconsistency

    Obama is nothing more than a puppet and he certainly was not anywhere near the most qualified person to get what he has been given
    a puppet requires a puppeteer to be effective. fill us in on who is Obama's puppeteer. for dubya bin lyin it was cheney with his hand up the shrub's ass. who plays that role with Obama?
    and since - in your legal opinion, of course - Obama was not the most qualified person to get what he has been given, tell us who should have received those gifts instead
    this should be rich
    thanks for playing
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