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Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?


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I, personally, always thought ear piecing of babies was weird. It's a common practice in the Hispanic community, however, and not really any worse than circumcision.
 
For crying out loud people declaw their cats.

Now that is cruel.

They have to keep them inside for life. Some people think that is cruel, some people think letting cats outside is irresponsible. People have a lot of different opinions.
 
They have to keep them inside for life. Some people think that is cruel, some people think letting cats outside is irresponsible. People have a lot of different opinions.

My deal is the what if scenario. What if the cat happens to get out and runs away?
 
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My deal is the what if scenario. What if the cat happens to get out and run away?

When I was a kid my stepmother's declawed cat got ripped apart by a dog when it got out.
 
My deal is the what if scenario. What if the cat happens to get out and run away?

I think of that with cats that have been de-clawed. They have no way to defend themselves. They can't climb trees to escape predators. it think de-clawing is a horrible practice. As is tail docking and ear cropping. It's an artificial aesthetic.

As for those earrings,it seems benign, except that they are very large for tiny kitty ears, but I don't see the purpose in doing it because "it was neat".

6 months house arrest? I wonder why they went that far? Though I would be worried if she might consider belly rings or god forbid, a Prince Albert, for one of her pets.
 
Just showed this article to my teenaged daughters. They think it's ridiculous. One brought up animal testing, which is way crueler than this. The other said "You're allowed to pierce little children".


Exactly. I know people that do this to their six-month old babies.


Hey, I like cats. I like cats better than I like most people. But these criminal charges are BS.
 
I personally don't see anything particularly cruel about piercing ears, although these earrings look cumbersome for such small, thin ears.

Ears are not particularly enervated or vascular parts of the body.

I am pretty sure it was not just ears she did as I read about this on other forums and she was putting stuff in their noses too:(
 
I am pretty sure it was not just ears she did as I read about this on other forums and she was putting stuff in their noses too:(

Thanks for saying that, I went looking and I found this. There was much more involved. I agree with 6 months sentence she got.

Metal protrudes from their little bodies, pierced through their ears and necks with a 14-gauge needle - usually reserved for the thick skin of cattle.

And at least one of these 'maimed and disfigured' kittens also had an elastic band tied around its tail - an attempt to stem the blood flow so that the tail eventually falls off.

The woman accused of turning three helpless kittens into 'gothic cats' by piercing them up to 10 times went on trial in the U.S. yesterday, charged with animal cruelty.

Dog groomer Holly Crawford, 35, was allegedly selling the pathetic animals online for hundreds of dollars.

Yesterday a vet told the court that the kittens had been maimed and disfigured, and could have died.

Melinda Merck, an animal cruelty investigator and veterinarian, said the ear piercings altered the cats’ hearing.

The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.

Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'

A worker from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta), also testified how she was alerted by an anonymous caller.

Amanda Kyle said she pretended to be interested in buying a kitten. She took pictures, and asked how the procedure was done.

Ms Kyle told the court she was told the kittens were pierced with a 14-gauge needle, which veterinarians usually use for cattle because their skin is so thick.

She said she was also told a rubber band was used to dock the tail of one kitten, stemming the blood flow so the tail falls off.

Ms Kyle said Crawford told her one of the kittens had ripped out a piercing and Crawford was waiting for it to heal before she pierced it again.

She claimed Crawford said she had pierced the kittens because it was 'neat'.

Prosecutors are accusing Crawford of inflicting pain and suffering on the kittens in a cruel bid to make money.

Crawford's lawyers, however, are insisting that she was 'not acting maliciously'.

The woman's home outside the town of Wilkes-Barre in Pennsylvania was raided in December, 2008, after the Peta investigation.

Crawford has insisted that she used sterilised needles and made sure that the kittens were healing properly.

She said she wasn't trying to hurt them.

Humane officer Carol Morrison testified the cost to rehabilitate the kittens was upwards of $1,000.

In an interview with The Associated Press a year ago, Crawford said she didn’t think there was a difference between piercing a cat or a human.

Similar charges against Crawford’s boyfriend, William Blansett, 37, of Sweet Valley, were withdrawn in February.

The trial is set to continue today.

Read more: Gothic kittens: Holly Crawford, accused of piercing cats then selling them online, goes on trial for animal cruelty | Mail Online


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You're right, that's much more involved than mentioned on the CBS website
 
Absolutely. Painful mutilation of a living creature that cannot consent? Yeah, sounds like a crime to me.

Punish eBay while we're at it. It gives dumb people the idea that you can sell anything through the internet. Reminds me of the 17 year old boy who sold his virginity through it. Wouldn't be as hilarious if the winning bid wasn't from a middle-aged man.
How about Dobermans?
 
You're right, that's much more involved than mentioned on the CBS website

It sure was. Many of the articles I came across were truncated to eliminate the facts in the case, making the sentence come off as over-kill.

There was another, I didn't post, wherein she blamed an addiction to heroin to excuse this incident.
 
Hm. That sounds pretty bad, yeah.

I still think six months is too much. A fine, yes. Half a year in prison...overkill.

It was house arrest.

Possibly overkill. However, mean, nasty people get lighter sentences than they deserve so often I'm not going to cry when one gets more.
 
Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'


Oh, that's very true. ^
Very terrible.
I once witnessed a dominant male cat in one of my colonies mount a younger male, bite the scruff of his neck, and proceed to either copulate with him or simulate the act (couldn't really tell, from my vantage point).

The younger male was completely submissive throughout this encounter, no doubt because the older male had ahold of him by the scruff of the neck. You can pick up pretty much any cat, any size, by the scruff of the neck, and they'll just go limp and sort of curl up in a fetal position and let you carry them around that way.

There are definitely some nerves there in the back of cats' necks that, when stimulated, cause them to "surrender" or "submit".

I wonder if cats with piercings there would even be capable of defending themselves. I doubt they'd be able to act very autonomously at all, with those nerves being constantly stimulated.
 
Thanks for saying that, I went looking and I found this. There was much more involved. I agree with 6 months sentence she got.

Being a cat owner I wondered when I saw the "earrings" picture how that would affect the cat when jumping or fighting.

I'm not a fan of tail docking and other aesthetic "treatments" but I do wonder when the treatment impairs or affects an animals ability to defend itself or carry out normal activities. The piercings on the back of the neck or scruff of the kitten certainly would affect it as others have mentioned.
 
What a bitch. All because you find some niche does not mean it is right. Give me a break.
 
A cat that has been declawed can still grab you with it's front paws and teeth and tear you up by pedaling with it's back feet. That said I would never have a cat of mine declawed, plenty of different kinds of scratching posts and a quick trigger finger on a water bottle make amputating my cat's first finger joint unnecessary, (for me at least).
 
My daughter got her ears pierced when she was 5 months old. Not a big deal. I find the entire practice related to breeding pedigree animals to be a lot more disgusting and inhumane than piercing.
 
This is stupid. This is not abuse of an animal. We do much worse in the name of fashion, science and food etc.

The animal is her property, she is not putting the animal in any danger or abusing it. The rings do not affect the cat one way or the other.

The people crying about it being abuse in my opinion need to get a grip.
 
Not as long as chopping off part of infant's penis is legal.

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Cutting off some of the skin on a penis is not chopping off an entire part of the penis.

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Cutting off some of the skin on a penis is not chopping off an entire part of the penis.

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I'm pretty sure that's exactly what cutting part of it off means.
 
It subjects the animal to unnecessary pain - it is cruelty.
 
One could argue that doing this to a cat actually might raise its standard of living. If a normal cat goes for 20 bucks and a gothic cat goes for 200. What one do you think is going to a house that can more likely afford anything that might cost money do to a unforseen situation?
 
A woman got 6 months house arrest for piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as Gothic Kittens. Do you think this should be a crime?

"Gothic Kittens" Cruelty Case: 6 Months House Arrest for Piercing Cats' Ears - Crimesider - CBS News

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Absolutely should be illegal. Anyone who has had a cat knows exactly what that cat is gonna do when it sees those earrings dangling in front of its face constantly. The actual piercing may not have been cruel, but when the cat unintentionally rips the things out thinking they were a toy...that's where the cruelty comes in.
 
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