View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

    25 46.30%
  • It seems less cruel than docking tails and ears

    6 11.11%
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Maybe we need a 3/5ths compromise!

    Seriously, they're property, but that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with them.
    Why? Big business does whatever they want? Until you can say why, you have no argument.

    This woman should not have been charged.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Bull****. You will not subject an animal to cruelty, and the government will decide what that means, and if you don't like it, that's too bad. Try it and see.
    Are you serious? Or are you being sarcastic?

    If you are serious, I am done with you.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Are you serious? Or are you being sarcastic?

    If you are serious, I am done with you.
    As much as I hate to say it, you do have a good point (not in this post, in your previous one). You are able to kill animal if you so chose. You are not able to torture one to death though. Do you agree with that?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    As much as I hate to say it, you do have a good point (not in this post, in your previous one). You are able to kill animal if you so chose. You are not able to torture one to death though. Do you agree with that?
    No.

    Company's torture animals by the thousands every day until they die. Why are they not subject to the same laws of property as we are? Hmmm...

    Farmers torture animals every day as well. Why can companys do it in the name of hair spray and fir coats? This is garbage. So far no one has given me a legitimate and legal reason why this woman was charged when much worse go's on unpunished.

    As I said this has nothing to do with animal cruelty. If it did, people by the thousands would be arrested. It is about feel good bull**** and our eroding property rights. And people are so worried about the animals, they can't even see the loss of freedom and fairness under the law
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No.

    Company's torture animals by the thousands every day until they die. Why are they not subject to the same laws of property as we are? Hmmm...

    Farmers torture animals every day as well. Why can companys do it in the name of hair spray and fir coats? This is garbage. So far no one has given me a legitimate and legal reason why this woman was charged when much worse go's on unpunished.

    As I said this has nothing to do with animal cruelty. If it did, people by the thousands would be arrested. It is about feel good bull**** and our eroding property rights. And people are so worried about the animals, they can't even see the loss of freedom and fairness under the law
    Farmers will stick calfs in a little 5 foot by 5 foot box so that their muscles stay soft for the eatin. That should be animal cruelty.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Farmers will stick calfs in a little 5 foot by 5 foot box so that their muscles stay soft for the eatin. That should be animal cruelty.
    The laws should be enforced evenly or not at all, period.

    Thanks Jallman.

    So if we allow all this other so called "cruelty" this woman should NOT have been charged or arrested.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    It shouldn't be a crime, but I think her community can act in the interest of the animal by simply having the earrings removed or placed more appropriately.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    It shouldn't be a crime, but I think her community can act in the interest of the animal by simply having the earrings removed or placed more appropriately.
    Either the law has to apply or it does not. The animal does not have any rights. The community would be infringing on the right of this woman by trying to force her to change the piercings. It is her property and not the community's. Unless she is infringing on someone else's rights (and she is not) it is no one else's business.

    No one is telling dog breeders where to snip? Why does she need to be told? No one is telling the fir farms how to treat the animals they have, why does she have to submit?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Either the law has to apply or it does not. The animal does not have any rights. The community would be infringing on the right of this woman by trying to force her to change the piercings. It is her property and not the community's. Unless she is infringing on someone else's rights (and she is not) it is no one else's business.

    No one is telling dog breeders where to snip? Why does she need to be told? No one is telling the fir farms how to treat the animals they have, why does she have to submit?
    because kittens are cuter, and therefore more emotionally appealing, who cares about a cow, but teh kittehs are cute, and must be saved from the bad woman
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did you bother to read what I said and understand it in context. Let me answer that for you....

    NO

    We do much worse to many more animals in the name of fashion, science etc. And that is not abuse. Why would this be????

    I don't see any of the fashion company's who test on animals going to jail? Oh I guess lip gloss is a valuable service to humanity?

    Get a grip. They are animals, and that is that. They are not human and have not rights.



    And dogs eat cat ****, and my Parrot craps on anything and everything, they are animals. No matter how much we love and care for them they are NOT humans and are not afforded any rights.

    What happens when a dog bites someone? No trial, no excuse, they are put down, period. When a racing dog can't be adopted, they are put down. If an animal is at most shelters to long, they are put down.

    No judge, jury or trial. They have no natural rights other than the ones we as the masters give them.

    They were her property and being charged with animal cruelty for piercing considering the rest that goes on, is just stupid.



    Take it to a vet.

    Wow that was hard.

    PS If my parrot (whom I love dearly) messed up and I decided I did not want it any more, I could just kill it, period. No cruelty charges, no police. Just a dead animal to bury. It is an animal.
    I read what you wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is stupid. This is not abuse of an animal. We do much worse in the name of fashion, science and food etc.

    The animal is her property, she is not putting the animal in any danger or abusing it. The rings do not affect the cat one way or the other.

    The people crying about it being abuse in my opinion need to get a grip.
    Again, YES she is. I cut and pasted the portion where the veterinarian said their hearing was effected and their ability to jump. There were also infections.

    Melinda Merck, an animal cruelty investigator and veterinarian, said the ear piercings altered the catsí hearing.

    The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

    'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.

    Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

    Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

    'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'
    Just because animals are ill used in the cosmetic industry, which I object to BTW, doesn't mean we can overlook abuse in the home.
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