View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely should be illegal. Anyone who has had a cat knows exactly what that cat is gonna do when it sees those earrings dangling in front of its face constantly. The actual piercing may not have been cruel, but when the cat unintentionally rips the things out thinking they were a toy...that's where the cruelty comes in.
    Lol if a cat is retarded enough to rip something out of its ear maybe it needs to be put down. Now if you put them in and the cat instantly, and constantly starts clawing, ripping at them to get them out obviously then need to be removed. If it was acclimated to it from an early age then maybe you should be worried they might accidentally get caught on something. If it was an inside cat then there would be almost no problem. I think this case right here is unacceptable simply because the size and weight of the earings. Little tiny loops would look tits. But if this cat were to shake its head try it looks like it might put out one of it's own eyes.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Lol if a cat is retarded enough to rip something out of its ear maybe it needs to be put down.
    It's not about the cat being retarded. It's about the cat being a cat and jumping at this unnatural object dangling in front of its face. Cats, by their nature, are drawn to movement. If you think millions of years of evolution manifesting itself as an instinct is retarded, then take that up with Darwin, not the cat.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's not about the cat being retarded. It's about the cat being a cat and jumping at this unnatural object dangling in front of its face. Cats, by their nature, are drawn to movement. If you think millions of years of evolution manifesting itself as an instinct is retarded, then take that up with Darwin, not the cat.
    If something hurts its not going to keep doing it for fun. The only way a cat would rip something out of its ear is by it snagging onto something while it is using lots of momentum or if it freaked out and ripped it out on purpose. No cat is gonna go, "DUR DUR DUR" * tug... "ouch"... *pull.. "ouch".. *Bite a little bit... "ouch that hurt alot"... *BITE IT OFF

    You dangle your fingers like a challanger and a cat usually won't swipe you with enough force to dammage you. (Unless it hates you) They are pretty smart. So you stick something to its ear and it isn't going to rip it out just for fun. Why the hell am I even debating this?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If something hurts its not going to keep doing it for fun. The only way a cat would rip something out of its ear is by it snagging onto something while it is using lots of momentum or if it freaked out and ripped it out on purpose. No cat is gonna go, "DUR DUR DUR" * tug... "ouch"... *pull.. "ouch".. *Bite a little bit... "ouch that hurt alot"... *BITE IT OFF

    You dangle your fingers like a challanger and a cat usually won't swipe you with enough force to dammage you. (Unless it hates you) They are pretty smart. So you stick something to its ear and it isn't going to rip it out just for fun. Why the hell am I even debating this?
    That's a fine theory if you occlude the opportunity for accidents and mistakes on the cat's part.

    Either way, this minutia doesn't really matter. I just think that it is a horrible and vain thing to do...this piercing a cat's ears just to make it more cute or whatever to you. If the cat doesn't fit your style, don't have a ****ing cat. Or, even better, get to know your animal's distinct personality and use that to decide if the cat is right for you before you go mutilating it in ways that, while fine for humans, are not at all acceptable to do to an animal for pure ornamentation.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Being a cat owner I wondered when I saw the "earrings" picture how that would affect the cat when jumping or fighting.

    I'm not a fan of tail docking and other aesthetic "treatments" but I do wonder when the treatment impairs or affects an animals ability to defend itself or carry out normal activities. The piercings on the back of the neck or scruff of the kitten certainly would affect it as others have mentioned.
    Indeed, according to the investigator:

    Melinda Merck, an animal cruelty investigator and veterinarian, said the ear piercings altered the catsí hearing.

    The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

    'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is stupid. This is not abuse of an animal. We do much worse in the name of fashion, science and food etc.

    The animal is her property, she is not putting the animal in any danger or abusing it. The rings do not affect the cat one way or the other.

    The people crying about it being abuse in my opinion need to get a grip.
    Unbelievable. You couldn't have read the various cut and pasted articles. Clearly she abused these animals:

    Melinda Merck, an animal cruelty investigator and veterinarian, said the ear piercings altered the catsí hearing.

    The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

    'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.

    Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

    Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

    'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Lol if a cat is retarded enough to rip something out of its ear maybe it needs to be put down. Now if you put them in and the cat instantly, and constantly starts clawing, ripping at them to get them out obviously then need to be removed. If it was acclimated to it from an early age then maybe you should be worried they might accidentally get caught on something. If it was an inside cat then there would be almost no problem. I think this case right here is unacceptable simply because the size and weight of the earings. Little tiny loops would look tits. But if this cat were to shake its head try it looks like it might put out one of it's own eyes.
    Haven't you ever noticed animals, if allowed to, will lick and bite stitches and tear bandages from injuries? It is in their nature to remove foreign bodies and objects from themselves. There is nothing retarded about the cats' behavior, only that of this stupid woman.

    One of the cats had torn out one of piercings.

    Ms Kyle said Crawford told her one of the kittens had ripped out a piercing and Crawford was waiting for it to heal before she pierced it again.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Haven't you ever noticed animals, if allowed to, will lick and bite stitches and tear bandages from injuries? It is in their nature to remove foreign bodies and objects from themselves. There is nothing retarded about the cats' behavior, only that of this stupid woman.

    One of the cats had torn out one of piercings.
    Many people who have never spent time around animals or who have a common attitude that an animal is just an accessory don't realize or appreciate the way an animal thinks.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's a fine theory if you occlude the opportunity for accidents and mistakes on the cat's part.

    Either way, this minutia doesn't really matter. I just think that it is a horrible and vain thing to do...this piercing a cat's ears just to make it more cute or whatever to you. If the cat doesn't fit your style, don't have a ****ing cat. Or, even better, get to know your animal's distinct personality and use that to decide if the cat is right for you before you go mutilating it in ways that, while fine for humans, are not at all acceptable to do to an animal for pure ornamentation.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Many people who have never spent time around animals or who have a common attitude that an animal is just an accessory don't realize or appreciate the way an animal thinks.

    It is a common attitude, and one that I find so very offensive.
    These people will never realize the joy that a loving pet can bring to their lives.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Haven't you read anything I've typed?
    Yes. The "you" in my post was the editorial "you".

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Haven't you ever noticed animals, if allowed to, will lick and bite stitches and tear bandages from injuries? It is in their nature to remove foreign bodies and objects from themselves. There is nothing retarded about the cats' behavior, only that of this stupid woman.

    One of the cats had torn out one of piercings.
    Yep. I've also noticed dogs with necklaces. Shoes, shirts, diapers, clip on earings, costumes. All kinds of crap. The arguement that it will hurt itself by playing with the addition to it isn't a very good one. It isn't going to purposely cause itself pain. If it hated it maybe it would get pissed and purposely try to remove it. How is anything I said wrong and not just a furtherance upon what ya'll been saying?

    I got a lil mini datsi and Id never do anything like this do her. The worst accessory she gets is a lil rain coat cuz I live in Washington. But she learned to love it first walk out in the rain.
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