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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Just showed this article to my teenaged daughters. They think it's ridiculous. One brought up animal testing, which is way crueler than this. The other said "You're allowed to pierce little children".

    Exactly. I know people that do this to their six-month old babies.


    Hey, I like cats. I like cats better than I like most people. But these criminal charges are BS.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I personally don't see anything particularly cruel about piercing ears, although these earrings look cumbersome for such small, thin ears.

    Ears are not particularly enervated or vascular parts of the body.
    I am pretty sure it was not just ears she did as I read about this on other forums and she was putting stuff in their noses too
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am pretty sure it was not just ears she did as I read about this on other forums and she was putting stuff in their noses too
    Thanks for saying that, I went looking and I found this. There was much more involved. I agree with 6 months sentence she got.

    Metal protrudes from their little bodies, pierced through their ears and necks with a 14-gauge needle - usually reserved for the thick skin of cattle.

    And at least one of these 'maimed and disfigured' kittens also had an elastic band tied around its tail - an attempt to stem the blood flow so that the tail eventually falls off.

    The woman accused of turning three helpless kittens into 'gothic cats' by piercing them up to 10 times went on trial in the U.S. yesterday, charged with animal cruelty.

    Dog groomer Holly Crawford, 35, was allegedly selling the pathetic animals online for hundreds of dollars.

    Yesterday a vet told the court that the kittens had been maimed and disfigured, and could have died.

    Melinda Merck, an animal cruelty investigator and veterinarian, said the ear piercings altered the catsí hearing.

    The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

    'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.

    Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

    Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

    'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'

    A worker from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta), also testified how she was alerted by an anonymous caller.

    Amanda Kyle said she pretended to be interested in buying a kitten. She took pictures, and asked how the procedure was done.

    Ms Kyle told the court she was told the kittens were pierced with a 14-gauge needle, which veterinarians usually use for cattle because their skin is so thick.

    She said she was also told a rubber band was used to dock the tail of one kitten, stemming the blood flow so the tail falls off.

    Ms Kyle said Crawford told her one of the kittens had ripped out a piercing and Crawford was waiting for it to heal before she pierced it again.

    She claimed Crawford said she had pierced the kittens because it was 'neat'.

    Prosecutors are accusing Crawford of inflicting pain and suffering on the kittens in a cruel bid to make money.

    Crawford's lawyers, however, are insisting that she was 'not acting maliciously'.

    The woman's home outside the town of Wilkes-Barre in Pennsylvania was raided in December, 2008, after the Peta investigation.

    Crawford has insisted that she used sterilised needles and made sure that the kittens were healing properly.

    She said she wasn't trying to hurt them.

    Humane officer Carol Morrison testified the cost to rehabilitate the kittens was upwards of $1,000.

    In an interview with The Associated Press a year ago, Crawford said she didnít think there was a difference between piercing a cat or a human.

    Similar charges against Crawfordís boyfriend, William Blansett, 37, of Sweet Valley, were withdrawn in February.

    The trial is set to continue today.
    Read more: Gothic kittens: Holly Crawford, accused of piercing cats then selling them online, goes on trial for animal cruelty | Mail Online


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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    You're right, that's much more involved than mentioned on the CBS website

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Absolutely. Painful mutilation of a living creature that cannot consent? Yeah, sounds like a crime to me.

    Punish eBay while we're at it. It gives dumb people the idea that you can sell anything through the internet. Reminds me of the 17 year old boy who sold his virginity through it. Wouldn't be as hilarious if the winning bid wasn't from a middle-aged man.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You're right, that's much more involved than mentioned on the CBS website
    It sure was. Many of the articles I came across were truncated to eliminate the facts in the case, making the sentence come off as over-kill.

    There was another, I didn't post, wherein she blamed an addiction to heroin to excuse this incident.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Thanks for saying that, I went looking and I found this. There was much more involved. I agree with 6 months sentence she got.



    Read more: Gothic kittens: Holly Crawford, accused of piercing cats then selling them online, goes on trial for animal cruelty | Mail Online



    Hm. That sounds pretty bad, yeah.

    I still think six months is too much. A fine, yes. Half a year in prison...overkill.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hm. That sounds pretty bad, yeah.

    I still think six months is too much. A fine, yes. Half a year in prison...overkill.
    It was house arrest.

    Possibly overkill. However, mean, nasty people get lighter sentences than they deserve so often I'm not going to cry when one gets more.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

    Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

    'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'

    Oh, that's very true. ^
    Very terrible.
    I once witnessed a dominant male cat in one of my colonies mount a younger male, bite the scruff of his neck, and proceed to either copulate with him or simulate the act (couldn't really tell, from my vantage point).

    The younger male was completely submissive throughout this encounter, no doubt because the older male had ahold of him by the scruff of the neck. You can pick up pretty much any cat, any size, by the scruff of the neck, and they'll just go limp and sort of curl up in a fetal position and let you carry them around that way.

    There are definitely some nerves there in the back of cats' necks that, when stimulated, cause them to "surrender" or "submit".

    I wonder if cats with piercings there would even be capable of defending themselves. I doubt they'd be able to act very autonomously at all, with those nerves being constantly stimulated.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    A woman got 6 months house arrest for piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as Gothic Kittens. Do you think this should be a crime?

    "Gothic Kittens" Cruelty Case: 6 Months House Arrest for Piercing Cats' Ears - Crimesider - CBS News

    Depends, does the cat like the balls on her ears ? Maybe that is not cruel but it is foolish !!!
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