View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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Thread: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes you do. Then they have to use due process. They have to win or show need. So yes you do have a right not to.
    Yes, but they can take it without your permission.

    You really need to pick up a history book. Or at the very minimum watch the video I posted.

    Since you are not going to, I guess we are done.
    Give it a rest, dude. If you want to bow out, just do it.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, but they can take it without your permission.
    No they can't. They have to sue you. Many times the government has lost these cases and guess what? Nothing happened.

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    Give it a rest, dude. If you want to bow out, just do it.
    Has nothing to do with bowing out. At this point we are just repeating our selfs.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No they can't. They have to sue you. Many times the government has lost these cases and guess what? Nothing happened.
    Yet many times they took property, without the permission of the owners.

    How many times are you going to deny this obvious fact?

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Look, here are some ways your property rights aren't absolute, and never have been:

    - you can't refuse to sell to the government for public use (eminent domain).
    - you have to pay taxes
    - you can be regulated or zoned
    - you can't abuse or torture animals.

    That's just the way it is.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yet many times they took property, without the permission of the owners.

    How many times are you going to deny this obvious fact?
    How many times are you going to deny they did not just take it? They had to go to court. Sometimes they won, sometimes they did not.

    You absolutely have the RIGHT to say no, and defend your position in court.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Piercing cat's ears and putting big dangly things in them: Bad idea.
    Piercing cat's necks and putting stud things on the scruff of the neck, the "submission bite spot": probably not good either.
    Six months house arrest for doing these things? Priceless.


    Seriously, though, if we were talking about someone who with malice aforethought, deliberately and willfully tortured animals with needless and unnecessary suffering, then yeah they need a big smack down.

    This woman was not malicious; her purpose was not to inflict needless suffering. It wasn't deliberate, it wasn't done because she is Dr. Evil.

    She just didn't think it through very well and do her due dilligence in finding out if this sort of thing was a problem for the kittehs.

    If I was the judge? "Take the piercings out of the Kittehs, and cease and desist from Gothicization of further kittehs, 'cuz they don't like it. Case closed."

    Six months house arrest is too much for someone who simply made an error in judgement at worst. I likes the kittehs, but even so kittehs are not peoples.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    How many times are you going to deny they did not just take it? They had to go to court. Sometimes they won, sometimes they did not.
    Yes - sometimes they did not.

    You absolutely have the RIGHT to say no, and defend your position in court.
    The right to object in court isn't a property right, it's a right to due process. You can say no, but the government can overrule you and force you to sell it.

    If your right to property were absolute, the government couldn't force you to sell it. Yet it can.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Look, here are some ways your property rights aren't absolute, and never have been:

    - you can't refuse to sell to the government for public use (eminent domain).
    Yes you can.

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    - you have to pay taxes
    The government has to have money to operate. Without it we have nothing to support the Constitution.

    Originally there were no taxes. Then they realized that would not work for any government.

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    - you can be regulated or zoned
    Not until 1916, in New York.

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    - you can't abuse or torture animals.

    That's just the way it is.
    That was in 1966 with the animal welfare act, so again no, it was not always this way.

    History is your friend.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes - sometimes they did not.

    The right to object in court isn't a property right, it's a right to due process. You can say no, but the government can overrule you and force you to sell it.

    If your right to property were absolute, the government couldn't force you to sell it. Yet it can.
    They were absolute up until the last 100 years or so. What part of my talk of eroding are you missing?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes you can.
    When you lose your case, no, you can't.

    The government has to have money to operate. Without it we have nothing to support the Constitution.
    Right. So there's another way property rights aren't absolute. Glad you agree this is necessary.

    Originally there were no taxes. Then they realized that would not work for any government.
    Again, yes.

    Not until 1916, in New York.
    Okay.

    That was in 1966 with the animal welfare act, so again no, it was not always this way.
    True.

    History is your friend.
    Yep. Oh, another property right that's been lost - slavery.

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