View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

    25 46.30%
  • It seems less cruel than docking tails and ears

    6 11.11%
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Right. But they can still take it. So your right to it isn't absolute.
    Actually it is, hence the "due process" clause. It's mainly because of technology. If a highway needs to go through, it needs to go through. They still can't just take it. They have to prove why the highway has to go through. And then you must be FAIRLY compensated, so in actuality you lose nothing. Your property is basically capital at that point.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    There are limits, obviously, to what the government can do and how it can do it. But it can still take your property, or regulate how you use it.
    Again it shows our eroding property rights.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually it is, hence the "due process" clause. It's mainly because of technology. If a highway needs to go through, it needs to go through. They still can't just take it. They have to prove why the highway has to go through. And then you must be FAIRLY compensated, so in actuality you lose nothing. Your property is basically capital at that point.
    If your property rights were absolute, you could decide not to sell to the government for any price. But you can't.

    Also, the government can tax you, regulate the use of your property through zoning and other regulation, regulate your business, etc.

    Again it shows our eroding property rights.
    How?

    Are you talking about the recent takings like the New London case? I agree with you on that, but that's not relevant to this discussion.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Of course not. However, you claimed that:
    You haven't produced any evidence about pierced cats.
    Don't have to. I showed cats in a similar condition. Or at least a reasonable facsimile.

    It also completely flies in the face of your statements and the vets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Still waiting for you to tell us about the pierced cats you have had experience with, which "shows" that piercing does not make cats unstable. If you cannot provide us with documentation that said piercings have no negative impact on a cat's balance or movement, you'll have proven your assertion. Until that point, we have nothing but your worthless declaration that you know more than a vet does about the matter. Sorry, but I'll go with the vet's professional knowledge, observations, and training.
    The vet has not even proved it and yet you accept her at her word. I have shown tangible evidence to the contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I'm fairly certain I never said, nor implied that.
    I never said you did. Notice the question mark. Are you going to answer the question?

    "So in your opinion burning a Chimpanzee to death to test hair spray is OK to be legal? But piercing a cats ear should be illegal? Even though we can crop birds wings, crop cats and dogs tails purely in the interest of fashion?"

    Or are you going to crop the rest out again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Again, I'll go with the vet's professional knowledge, observations, and training.
    You do that.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If your property rights were absolute, you could decide not to sell to the government for any price. But you can't.
    And you are fairly compensated. So you are not losing anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Also, the government can tax you, regulate the use of your property through zoning and other regulation, regulate your business, etc.
    You keep giving me great examples of the rights to property we have lost over the years.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How?

    Are you talking about the recent takings like the New London case? I agree with you on that, but that's not relevant to this discussion.
    It is relevant. We are letting the government do whatever they want without a peep or even a whimper.

    Our government was never in the founders wildest dreams supposed to have this much power over us.

    And we just let it happen.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Its a "legal" crime when people disfigure themselves, worse when they do it to animals.
    But, what about branding?
    It seems as if we have too many in law enforcement, or that they are in the wrong place.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you are fairly compensated. So you are not losing anything.
    But you don't have a right not to sell it.

    You keep giving me great examples of the rights to property we have lost over the years.
    That's absurd. None of these rights ever existed.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is relevant. We are letting the government do whatever they want without a peep or even a whimper.

    Our government was never in the founders wildest dreams supposed to have this much power over us.

    And we just let it happen.
    yeah yeah yeah.

    No, it's not relevant to peircing kittens. But I said I agree with you that the New London case went too far.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But you don't have a right not to sell it.
    Yes you do. Then they have to use due process. They have to win or show need. So yes you do have a right not to.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's absurd. None of these rights ever existed.
    You really need to pick up a history book. Or at the very minimum watch the video I posted.

    Since you are not going to, I guess we are done.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    yeah yeah yeah.

    No, it's not relevant to peircing kittens. But I said I agree with you that the New London case went too far.
    Yes it is. It is a system that creates a class of people above the law. This very much applies.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While I find the premise entirely stupid, I don't think there was anything illegal done there. The cats are her property and it wasn't a form of "abuse". I don't think tail docking is considered abuse, and it's worse than piercing a kitten's ears.
    Sheer meanness and stupidity, to oneself or others, cannot be a crime, should not be a crime...
    The jury was wrong, the entire process is wrong, and wasteful.
    Have they nothing better to do?
    We simply need better people, this will not happen for a long time..

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