View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "Affiliated" does not in any way mean active with an org. She has gone in after PETA MANY times. This is not an isolated incident.

    Affiliated–adjective
    being in close formal or informal association.


    Active–adjective
    1.engaged in action; characterized by energetic work, participation, etc


    No, not even close.
    HUH? Whatever.

    No matter the adjective, and that's your fight, not mine, you are using "active" in PETA as guilt by association. Dr. Merck was testifying in her capacity as a DVM and animal expert. She was not just some random person "active" in PETA the DA brought in.



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    Lot's of well respected people have an agenda, so what?



    And so this makes it OK?
    You posted a blog entry by a group who has a problem with her, that has no proof of their accusation. I could find no reference other than that posting, that she "dumped" the puppy 250 miles away.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree her lawyers sucked.

    As for being an expert, yes my father was a farmer in Penn no less. I know far more about animals than you think.



    Her lawyers were court appointed and not to good. If she actually had money, I am certain plenty of experts would have come out of the woodwork.



    I wonder after all this press why they would hang up or lie to an out of state caller. Hmmmm...
    All what press? I googled their name before you posted that link, but I could only come up with business information. In none of the articles I found on the subject of this woman even mentioned Critter Co. So what publicity could you possibly be speaking of?

    They didn't hang up. I asked, she said no. She then said she would ask and put me on hold, then came back and said, "no, I'm sorry we don't."

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    HUH? Whatever.

    No matter the adjective, and that's your fight, not mine, you are using "active" in PETA as guilt by association. Dr. Merck was testifying in her capacity as a DVM and animal expert. She was not just some random person "active" in PETA the DA brought in.

    You posted a blog entry by a group who has a problem with her, that has no proof of their accusation. I could find no reference other than that posting, that she "dumped" the puppy 250 miles away.

    All what press? I googled their name before you posted that link, but I could only come up with business information. In none of the articles I found on the subject of this woman even mentioned Critter Co. So what publicity could you possibly be speaking of?

    They didn't hang up. I asked, she said no. She then said she would ask and put me on hold, then came back and said, "no, I'm sorry we don't."

    Call them yourself.
    OK you are not even debating at this point. So far your argument hyperbole at best. Much like her silly comments about oh they can't jump properly which is garbage.

    Have a good evening.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    If you get an animal from some of the no-kill shelters? Those animals do indeed have rights and you must sign a contract about it too.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If you get an animal from some of the no-kill shelters? Those animals do indeed have rights and you must sign a contract about it too.
    Absolutely, you sign a contract. You have made a legal and binding agreement as to the treatment and care of that animal.

    That has nothing to do with property rights or animal cruelty. As I said the only rights animals can have are the ones we the masters give them. Humans on the other hand have inalienable rights endowed by our creator, or so the Constitution says.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Humans on the other hand have inalienable rights endowed by our creator, or so the Constitution says.
    No...we've told ourselves we have these rights, and we told every other animal they don't.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    No...we've told ourselves we have these rights, and we told every other animal they don't.
    Take it up with the founding fathers.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Take it up with the founding fathers.
    Yes, humans. And who wrote the Bible? A human. And who developed the idea of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? A human.

    Do you see a trend here?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes, humans. And who wrote the Bible? A human. And who developed the idea of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? A human.

    Do you see a trend here?
    Yes. We are the masters of this world.

    That was easy, next!

    Ps I am a Christian, so I do not believe the Bible is some "just written by man" thing.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes. We are the *self-ordained* masters of this world.

    That was easy, next!

    Ps I am a Christian, so I do not believe the Bible is some "just written by man" thing.
    There you go, fixed it for you. And because we are the *self-ordained* masters of the world, we have decided that we can do whatever to the animals.

    Now, imagine an alien civilization comes, conquers Earth, and they treat humans like dogs. Would you like them to be able to do all the crap we do to our pets? I wouldn't, and, going back to the Bible, "Do to others as you would have them do to you."
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    There you go, fixed it for you. And because we are the *self-ordained* masters of the world, we have decided that we can do whatever to the animals.
    This has nothing to do with my argument or the laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Now, imagine an alien civilization comes, conquers Earth, and they treat humans like dogs. Would you like them to be able to do all the crap we do to our pets? I wouldn't, and, going back to the Bible, "Do to others as you would have them do to you."
    Now we leap into the ridicules.

    Fallacy argument buddy. Pony up with something real.

    PS The Bible says do unto others as in humans. It also gives us dominion over ALL of the earth to do with as we see fit.

    PLEASE don't try and preach my own Bible too me as we will go way off topic.
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