View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

    25 46.30%
  • It seems less cruel than docking tails and ears

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Collars aren't optimal anyway; harnesses are safer.
    Flea collars are unnecessary and don't work very well. There are flea shampoos and other flea treatments that you just dab onto your pet's fur.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Lol if a cat is retarded enough to rip something out of its ear maybe it needs to be put down --
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If something hurts its not going to keep doing it for fun. The only way a cat would rip something out of its ear is by it snagging onto something while it is using lots of momentum or if it freaked out and ripped it out on purpose. No cat is gonna go, "DUR DUR DUR" * tug... "ouch"... *pull.. "ouch".. *Bite a little bit... "ouch that hurt alot"... *BITE IT OFF --
    I won't explain animal instinct to you but you could google animal chewing it's leg off and you'll find plenty of examples where an animal has removed part of it's body deliberately to get away from something disturbing or hurting itself.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What place would this be? I mean if we are going to play obtuse word games so you can try and make an invalid point.
    The middle of the Sahara. Quit dodging.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarcho-fascist View Post
    The middle of the Sahara. Quit dodging.
    That would be OK as it is not the US and our laws do not apply.

    Not dodging anything. You are trying to set up some stupid fallacy argument by being obtuse.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That would be OK..
    Thanks, that's all I wanted.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I won't explain animal instinct to you but you could google animal chewing it's leg off and you'll find plenty of examples where an animal has removed part of it's body deliberately to get away from something disturbing or hurting itself.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    YES, this is what you posted. Your meaning is very plain:
    And yet you still get it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes, there is proof. A veterinarian testified that the cats' hearing was effected. She is NOT affiliated with PETA. Apparently you didn't read the article. The person who turned the woman in, who is involved with PETA.
    Who said anything about affiliated with PETA? It was not me. I said "Who is active with PETA." And she has worked with them on quite a few occations.

    Just as a reminder, here's a shot of the Merck tucking one of Joe Woodall's puppies under her arm and walking off with him. She dumped the pup in a dog pound 250 miles away, along with the rest of Joe's dogs. Merck never looked back.

    Some "expert" she is. Woodall was never arrested, never charged with any crime. . .despite Merck's "expert" opinions. How many dogs have died due to ASPCA "expertise" ?


    Yea there is justice from your expert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    There was infection and the tail docking had nothing to do with her testimony regarding their impaired ability to jump, that had to do with piercings at the base of their tails.
    So what? I highly doubt a 14 gage half moon ring is going to affect the cats ability to jump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    So your attacks on the source have no basis.
    Yes they do. Most of her comments were little more than hyperbole playing on peoples emotions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I called the Critter Co. and no, they do not pierce animals, for $25 or any amount. The store clerk said no and then put me on hold to check. Here's their number if you would like to check: 318-742-9129.
    "Did you know there is a Boutique pet store in Bossier City, Louisiana called the "Critter Company" that has been established since 1994. It is well-known for pioneering pet care and $25.00 ear piercings for dogs and the price includes a pair of earrings." - Would you pierce your dog or cats ear?

    "For those with no objection to their dogs looking prettier than themselves, since 1994, Critter Company has been doing innovative things for pets.
    But with the store’s latest dog ear piercing idea, it may be taking unique to the next level.
    "It’s something we thought that pet owners might like," said Angela Welch, assistant store manager.
    Indeed, a sign in the store says, "Ear piercing, $25 with earrings included.
    " - http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1058695798

    I think you had better call them back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yeah, it would seem I have.
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    No one has a right to maim or abuse animals.
    And yet it is going on all over the USA! But only enforceable if you are not rich.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarcho-fascist View Post
    Thanks, that's all I wanted.
    Yes right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And yet you still get it wrong.

    Who said anything about affiliated with PETA? It was not me. I said "Who is active with PETA." And she has worked with them on quite a few occations.
    If one is "active" with PETA, they could also be said to be "affiliated" with PETA and whether one uses either term, you are using it to charge guilt by association.

    Dr. Merck appears to be well respected:
    Meet the Board - Georgia Legal Professionals for Animals


    Melinda Merck, DVM, Sr. Director of Veterinary Forensic Sciences for the ASPCA

    Dr. Merck frequently testifies as a forensic veterinary expert for animal cruelty cases around the country, including cases involving animal hoarding, dog fighting and animal torture. She most recently was the veterinary forensics expect on the Michael Vick dog fighting case. In addition, she continues to be a veterinary forensics consultant for the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office in Atlanta, Ga., and conducts veterinary forensic examinations for Gwinnett County Animal Welfare Services. Dr. Merck is the author of the textbook, Veterinary Forensics: Animal Cruelty Investigation by Blackwell Publishing and the co-author of the book Veterinary Forensic Investigation of Animal Cruelty: A Guide for Veterinarians and Law Enforcement. She frequently provides training for veterinary and law enforcement professionals nationwide on the use of veterinary medical knowledge in the investigation and prosecution of animal cruelty cases. Dr. Merck lives in Atlanta, Ga., with an assortment of dogs and cats, many rescued from cruelty cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what? I highly doubt a 14 gage half moon ring is going to affect the cats ability to jump.



    Yes they do. Most of her comments were little more than hyperbole playing on peoples emotions.
    Are you a vet? Trained in animal anatomy and behavior? The defendant said one of them had torn out a piercing. That had to hurt the cat and so isn't that a clue the animal didn't like it? It's interesting to note that the woman's lawyers could only come up with:

    Her attorneys argued that parents allow children to get pierced ears at young ages, and it would be wrong to hold cat owners to a higher standard.
    Pretty weak. If there was another vet who could contradict Dr. Merck's testimony, certainly the defense would have put them on the stand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "Did you know there is a Boutique pet store in Bossier City, Louisiana called the "Critter Company" that has been established since 1994. It is well-known for pioneering pet care and $25.00 ear piercings for dogs and the price includes a pair of earrings." - Would you pierce your dog or cats ear?

    "For those with no objection to their dogs looking prettier than themselves, since 1994, Critter Company has been doing innovative things for pets.
    But with the store’s latest dog ear piercing idea, it may be taking unique to the next level.
    "It’s something we thought that pet owners might like," said Angela Welch, assistant store manager.
    Indeed, a sign in the store says, "Ear piercing, $25 with earrings included.
    " - http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1058695798 This link leads back to a reply on this thread

    I think you had better call them back.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    And yet it is going on all over the USA! But only enforceable if you are not rich.
    No, you should call them. I did and they said no, twice.

    Further from the link that worked:

    Fact:

    A poll was taken by PetPlace.com and only 3% out of 800 people agreed that it should be allowed by pet owners to pierce their pets ear. 96% did not approve of this behavior, and 2% had no opinion. Please, let me know what your opinion is relating to allowing pet owners to be able to pierce their pets ears....
    Apparently, those of us opposed to piercing pets are not alone.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    If one is "active" with PETA, they could also be said to be "affiliated" with PETA and whether one uses either term, you are using it to charge guilt by association.
    "Affiliated" does not in any way mean active with an org. She has gone in after PETA MANY times. This is not an isolated incident.

    Affiliated–adjective
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    No, not even close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Dr. Merck appears to be well respected:
    Meet the Board - Georgia Legal Professionals for Animals
    Lot's of well respected people have an agenda, so what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    He got all his dogs back:
    And so this makes it OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Are you a vet? Trained in animal anatomy and behavior? The defendant said one of them had torn out a piercing. That had to hurt the cat and so isn't that a clue the animal didn't like it? It's interesting to note that the woman's lawyers could only come up with:
    I agree her lawyers sucked.

    As for being an expert, yes my father was a farmer in Penn no less. I know far more about animals than you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Pretty weak. If there was another vet who could contradict Dr. Merck's testimony, certainly the defense would have put them on the stand.
    Her lawyers were court appointed and not to good. If she actually had money, I am certain plenty of experts would have come out of the woodwork.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    No, you should call them. I did and they said no, twice.
    I wonder after all this press why they would hang up or lie to an out of state caller. Hmmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Apparently, those of us opposed to piercing pets are not alone.
    An appeal to popularism, nice. Welcome to the losing end of a debate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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