View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

    25 46.30%
  • It seems less cruel than docking tails and ears

    6 11.11%
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While I find the premise entirely stupid, I don't think there was anything illegal done there. The cats are her property and it wasn't a form of "abuse". I don't think tail docking is considered abuse, and it's worse than piercing a kitten's ears.
    I think you'll find tail docking is illegal in many countries. As is ear-cutting, which used to be a very common practice with hunting dogs. It's a pretty nasty thing to mutilate an animal for profit. I'm not sure I'd want to push it to the top of a news agenda, but just yuk!

    I also find it pretty tasteless and nasty to see very young girls, even babies, with pierced ears. I'm sure that must be illegal somewhere, but here in Spain it's fairly common practice. Double yuk!
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarcho-fascist View Post
    Blackdog, would you support letting people abandon their dog with no food or water in a place that wouldn't cause a nuisance to other people?
    What place would this be? I mean if we are going to play obtuse word games so you can try and make an invalid point.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I was not wrong. It is not only a fact, but a law that you must humanely kill an animal in the meatpacking industry.
    That is one of many. This makes your overall representation wrong.

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    Depends on your purpose, but probably no.
    So you think beating animals to death is not torture? Interesting.

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    Arguably, but I also think animal agriculture needs to be reformed to eliminate unneccesary cruelty.
    But it is not happening is it?

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    Yes. Which is why I don't support animal testing for cosmetic purposes. It's not even required by the FDA.
    And yet no one has been arrested or even charged with a misdemeanor. And yet this woman gets arrested for far less?

    God bless bull**** feel good laws that infringe upon our rights.

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    Two wrongs don't make a right?
    My point exactly.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    It's not the ear piercing itself, it's the object that is attached to the ears. They could cause a small kitty to get hung up in a fence for example, and hurt it's self.

    I had a kitten with a flea collar on who got caught in a chain link fence because of the flea collar catching hold of the wire in the fence.

    I rescued it and no harm done.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is one of many. This makes your overall representation wrong.
    One of many whats? Why does the fact that we have laws that prevent cruelty to animals make my representation wrong?

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    So you think beating animals to death is not torture? Interesting.

    But it is not happening is it?

    And yet no one has been arrested or even charged with a misdemeanor. And yet this woman gets arrested for far less?

    God bless bull**** feel good laws that infringe upon our rights.

    My point exactly.
    We have animal cruelty laws in this nation for a number of reasons, both practical and moral. Just because we can cause pain and suffering doesn't mean we should. The fact that some industries get a pass, doesn't mean everyone should.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    One of many whats? Why does the fact that we have laws that prevent cruelty to animals make my representation wrong?
    You are completely missing my point. The laws are not being enforced evenly. If you are a corporation or an industrial farming complex, it's OK. If you are just an individual, you get arrested.

    This is an affront to liberty and justice for ALL concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    We have animal cruelty laws in this nation for a number of reasons, both practical and moral. Just because we can cause pain and suffering doesn't mean we should. The fact that some industries get a pass, doesn't mean everyone should.
    So you are OK with special laws for some and not others? You are OK with large company's property rights being protected and telling everyone else you will be arrested? Hmmmm..

    No wonder Affirmative Action is so popular.

    The hurting animals comment is just over the top. No one has suggested that.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    [quote=Blackdog;1058695227]Not according to what I posted.[quote]

    YES, this is what you posted. Your meaning is very plain:

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is stupid. This is not abuse of an animal. We do much worse in the name of fashion, science and food etc.

    The animal is her property, she is not putting the animal in any danger or abusing it. The rings do not affect the cat one way or the other.

    The people crying about it being abuse in my opinion need to get a grip.

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    There is no proof her hearing was affected, other than the word of one vet. Who is active with PETA, sorry I will not give her any credibility. And none of the cats at the time were infected. She said there could be a danger from infection. Plenty of cats around with no tails. They jump just fine, I own one or did years ago. So I know her comments for the most part are dramatic bull**** to justify an over reaction by people.
    Yes, there is proof. A veterinarian testified that the cats' hearing was effected. She is NOT affiliated with PETA. Apparently you didn't read the article. The person who turned the woman in, who is involved with PETA.

    There was infection and the tail docking had nothing to do with her testimony regarding their impaired ability to jump, that had to do with piercings at the base of their tails.

    The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

    'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.
    So your attacks on the source have no basis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did you know there is a pet store in Bossier City, Louisiana called the "Critter Company" been around since 94. It is known for $25.00 ear piercings for dogs & cats, and the price includes a pair of earrings. Don't see any cops from the SPCA or PETA Reading there store. I wonder shy?

    In the end it just does not matter. This woman should not have been arrested or charged.
    I called the Critter Co. and no, they do not pierce animals, for $25 or any amount. The store clerk said no and then put me on hold to check. Here's their number if you would like to check: 318-742-9129.


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    So far you have offered nothing to counter my argument.
    Yeah, it would seem I have.


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    OK I see. You think favoritism under the law is OK. You think infringing on one persons rights is OK under certain circumstances.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think you'll find tail docking is illegal in many countries. As is ear-cutting, which used to be a very common practice with hunting dogs. It's a pretty nasty thing to mutilate an animal for profit. I'm not sure I'd want to push it to the top of a news agenda, but just yuk!

    I also find it pretty tasteless and nasty to see very young girls, even babies, with pierced ears. I'm sure that must be illegal somewhere, but here in Spain it's fairly common practice. Double yuk!
    Is it pure profiteering or is some of it maybe reserved for aesthetic pleasure? Truely demented senses of fassion if you will.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are completely missing my point. The laws are not being enforced evenly. If you are a corporation or an industrial farming complex, it's OK. If you are just an individual, you get arrested.

    This is an affront to liberty and justice for ALL concerned.



    So you are OK with special laws for some and not others? You are OK with large company's property rights being protected and telling everyone else you will be arrested? Hmmmm..

    No wonder Affirmative Action is so popular.

    The hurting animals comment is just over the top. No one has suggested that.
    I'm sure you'd concede that testing on humans is for the most part illegal. Unless of course you get special permission for it.

    There are some industries that for whatever reason, have gotten special permission to engage in animal cruelty. That does not mean all those industries need to. It also does not mean other people get to just because they do.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It's not the ear piercing itself, it's the object that is attached to the ears. They could cause a small kitty to get hung up in a fence for example, and hurt it's self.

    I had a kitten with a flea collar on who got caught in a chain link fence because of the flea collar catching hold of the wire in the fence.

    I rescued it and no harm done.
    You are supposed to keep 2 fingers worth of space leeway in the coller so it can wriggle itself out in bad situations. Just in case you didnt know for next time.
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