View Poll Results: Should piercing the ears of kittens and selling them as 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

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  • Yes, it's animal cruelty and exploitive of innocent kittens

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  • It seems less cruel than docking tails and ears

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did you bother to read what I said and understand it in context. Let me answer that for you....

    NO

    We do much worse to many more animals in the name of fashion, science etc. And that is not abuse. Why would this be????

    I don't see any of the fashion company's who test on animals going to jail? Oh I guess lip gloss is a valuable service to humanity?

    Get a grip. They are animals, and that is that. They are not human and have not rights.



    And dogs eat cat ****, and my Parrot craps on anything and everything, they are animals. No matter how much we love and care for them they are NOT humans and are not afforded any rights.

    What happens when a dog bites someone? No trial, no excuse, they are put down, period. When a racing dog can't be adopted, they are put down. If an animal is at most shelters to long, they are put down.

    No judge, jury or trial. They have no natural rights other than the ones we as the masters give them.

    They were her property and being charged with animal cruelty for piercing considering the rest that goes on, is just stupid.



    Take it to a vet.

    Wow that was hard.

    PS If my parrot (whom I love dearly) messed up and I decided I did not want it any more, I could just kill it, period. No cruelty charges, no police. Just a dead animal to bury. It is an animal.
    That's a really nasty way to think of the pet versus the lab animal. I can't believe someone of your philosophy of predestination would honestly forego the rights of a creature not named in the constitution. What I know of you on this forum is that you are a man of compassion and diligent disgust for the maltreatment of the weak. How can you halt your compassion when it comes to a creature solely on the basis that it doesn't share your morphology or genetics? It just doesn't make sense to me.

    And I am not attacking your philosophy. I just don't understand it.

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's a really nasty way to think of the pet versus the lab animal. I can't believe someone of your philosophy of predestination would honestly forego the rights of a creature not named in the constitution. What I know of you on this forum is that you are a man of compassion and diligent disgust for the maltreatment of the weak. How can you halt your compassion when it comes to a creature solely on the basis that it doesn't share your morphology or genetics? It just doesn't make sense to me.

    And I am not attacking your philosophy. I just don't understand it.
    Jall this is your fault.

    You showed me or convinced me about the equality of the law in the children as adult case. I am certain you remember. No difference here.

    This woman right or wrong owned the animals, they are her property. If a multi-million dollar corporation can torture and kill animals for hair spray or fir, why can't this woman Perice a cat? For $25.00 a shop in Louisiana will do it. I don't see anyone rushing in to arrest them or anyone from the fir or cosmetic industry?

    As I mentioned before and people seem to be missing. This is not about fairness to an animal. This is about property and the government telling me what I can and cannot do with my property when others are able to with no repercussions.

    I would never hurt my bird, I love Sweet Pea. I will say if she was lager and hurt my grand daughter, her days would be numbered. In the end she is still an animal and not human. It is MY property as is my body and anything else I own.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jall this is your fault.

    You showed me or convinced me about the equality of the law in the children as adult case. I am certain you remember. No difference here.

    This woman right or wrong owned the animals, they are her property. If a multi-million dollar corporation can torture and kill animals for hair spray or fir, why can't this woman Perice a cat? For $25.00 a shop in Louisiana will do it. I don't see anyone rushing in to arrest them or anyone from the fir or cosmetic industry?

    As I mentioned before and people seem to be missing. This is not about fairness to an animal. This is about property and the government telling me what I can and cannot do with my property when others are able to with no repercussions.

    I would never hurt my bird, I love Sweet Pea. I will say if she was lager and hurt my grand daughter, her days would be numbered. In the end she is still an animal and not human. It is MY property as is my body and anything else I own.
    Please do not take offense...but I am about to be offensive...

    You make arguments that reflect the disgust the nation had for the black man. And yeah, you are going to protest that these arguments stand against the man and not the beast but...really...think about it...is it really right for the woman to shear the cat's ears through for the sole purpose of her vanity? And was it right for the cotton farmer to shear the dignity of the black man, seen as an animal, for the sole purpose of his prosperity?

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Please do not take offense...but I am about to be offensive...
    None taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You make arguments that reflect the disgust the nation had for the black man. And yeah, you are going to protest that these arguments stand against the man and not the beast but...really...think about it...is it really right for the woman to shear the cat's ears through for the sole purpose of her vanity? And was it right for the cotton farmer to shear the dignity of the black man, seen as an animal, for the sole purpose of his prosperity?
    Animals are not humans and have no rights. If this were the case as I have explained before, they would have rights, they don't. The only rights animals have are the rights we give them, and so far that is none.

    Your argument is nothing but a red herring. Humans are always animals, animals are never humans, ever. If a dog bites a man and kills him even in self defense, what happens to the dog? It is killed every time, no exceptions. It is not a human and is under the law property.

    Go and read my other posts. I have already covered all of this. It would save me having to type it all over again.

    PS why is the pet any more special than the lab animal or farm animal? They are not, they are just as much animals as the pet. We just don't get so attached to them as we torture them for food, clothing and cosmetics etc.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Please do not take offense...but I am about to be offensive...

    You make arguments that reflect the disgust the nation had for the black man. And yeah, you are going to protest that these arguments stand against the man and not the beast but...really...think about it...is it really right for the woman to shear the cat's ears through for the sole purpose of her vanity? And was it right for the cotton farmer to shear the dignity of the black man, seen as an animal, for the sole purpose of his prosperity?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    A slave = one who earns product for you for free. An animal of comfort = Something that you are constantly paying your time of some sort to keep around.
    why is the pet any more special than the lab animal or farm animal? They are not, they are just as much animals as the pet. We just don't get so attached to them as we torture them for food, clothing and cosmetics etc.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    why is the pet any more special than the lab animal or farm animal? They are not, they are just as much animals as the pet. We just don't get so attached to them as we torture them for food, clothing and cosmetics etc.
    They are more special by the normal standard in our world. They are more special due to luck. Due to observance. Why is something permited in one country but not the other? One house but not the other? One law applicable to one man but not the other?
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They are more special by the normal standard in our world. They are more special due to luck. Due to observance. Why is something permited in one country but not the other? One house but not the other? One law applicable to one man but not the other?
    Moral relativity, I see what you are saying. No South Park pun intended.

    The real question is... Is this reasonable or fair? Or are our rights frivolous and mean nothing?

    And this applies only to the US and law. Not "house rules" or anything of that nature.
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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    None taken.



    Animals are not humans and have no rights. If this were the case as I have explained before, they would have rights, they don't. The only rights animals have are the rights we give them, and so far that is none.

    Your argument is nothing but a red herring. Humans are always animals, animals are never humans, ever. If a dog bites a man and kills him even in self defense, what happens to the dog? It is killed every time, no exceptions. It is not a human and is under the law property.

    Go and read my other posts. I have already covered all of this. It would save me having to type it all over again.

    PS why is the pet any more special than the lab animal or farm animal? They are not, they are just as much animals as the pet. We just don't get so attached to them as we torture them for food, clothing and cosmetics etc.
    OK, I understand all that but...doesn't ownership of the animal confer certain rights to the animal? I mean, to you and to me, property ownership is pretty sacred so why would you occlude the pet from those property rights of the owner?

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    Re: Should selling 'Gothic Kittens' be a crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    OK, I understand all that but...doesn't ownership of the animal confer certain rights to the animal? I mean, to you and to me, property ownership is pretty sacred so why would you occlude the pet from those property rights of the owner?
    I am not certain I am following, but lets see.

    If I own a table, I infer no rights to that table other than the rights I as the owner infer to it. The government cannot and should not do this. This would be no different for animals. So I am not certain what rights the animal would have by me owning it?

    By owning the animal, since it is an investment into my own happiness it would make sense for me to take care of it and treat it well. The problem is we allow breeders to crop tails and ears, even Peirce as I mentioned before. We allow inhuman conditions for cows and fir animals, but this woman gets charged for piercing?

    Like you said for the child being charged as an adult, the law needs to be enforced objectively, or not at all.

    This subjective prosecution for feel good laws and choosing what to call abuse in one case and good grooming procedures in another is wrong.

    I don't think animal cruelty laws should exist either way outside of maybe a fine, because in the end, they are still property. But you can tell allot about a person by the way they treat an animal. This goes for our society as a whole as well.
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