View Poll Results: Is protesting at funerals 'Free Speech'?

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  • No, this was never the intent of the founding fathers!

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  • It's harassment and should be illegal

    24 43.64%
  • It's open to interpretation

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  • It's most certainly a form of protected free speech

    18 32.73%
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Thread: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Doesn't the location factor into play, too? "Thank God for Dead soldiers" isn't likely to, "by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" in the Westboro church itself, but I can guarantee that if they are uttered at a fallen soldier's funeral, their going to inflict injury upon the soldier's family.
    I suppose it could... but then, this same argument could be aplied to burning the US flag just outside the main gates of the Marine base at Quantico.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    I've agreed with Goobie twice today. Now I'm wondering if I remembered to take my pill this morning.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Injury as in emotional?
    That's the only type of injury words could possibly inflict.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've agreed with Goobie twice today. Now I'm wondering if I remembered to take my pill this morning.
    Certain issues seem to be very non-partisan.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Certain issues seem to be very non-partisan.
    Oh, definitely, the left leans towards diminished freedom of speech in the guise of "hate speech" laws. And, the far right can, as well, as they try to stifle speech that offends them, like flag burning.

    I tend to lean towards the constitution in all issues.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I suppose it could... but then, this same argument could be aplied to burning the US flag just outside the main gates of the Marine base at Quantico.
    Depends. One could easily find tons of psychological evidence to show that having someone gloating about the death of a loved one at said loved one's funeral will almost definitely inflict a severe emotional injury upon a person, and the data would likely show that these emotional injuries would be almost universal. (i.e. if someone did it to the people of Westboro when one of their loved one's passes away, they'd be very likely receive an emotional injury as well). Almost everyone would have a similar reaction, at least in the US. (Other cultures may view death differently, and some even view it as a positive, but the US is not such a culture)


    However, it's not so easy to argue that the burning of a symbol will inflict the same degree of emotional injury, and it is well nigh impossible to show that this reaction would be almost universal in the US. It's well known that not everyone will receive an emotional injury from such actions.

    This situation is slightly different due to the nature of bereavement.

    I would say, however, that burning a flag outside of a fallen soldiers funeral would be likely to inflict an emotional wound on the bereaved.

    At the same time, I would say protesting outside of Quantico with a sign that says Thank God for Dead Soldiers would also qualify as "fighting words".
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've agreed with Goobie twice today. Now I'm wondering if I remembered to take my pill this morning.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, definitely, the left leans towards diminished freedom of speech in the guise of "hate speech" laws. And, the far right can, as well, as they try to stifle speech that offends them, like flag burning.

    I tend to lean towards the constitution in all issues.
    Do you really need freedom of speech to the extent that you can shout obscenities while people are burying their dead as I have seen these people do?
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Do you really need freedom of speech to the extent that you can shout obscenities while people are buying their dead as I have seen these people do?
    In short? Yes.

    I would rather hear people shouting obscenities while I bury my child than see the government restrain free speech.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In short? Yes.

    I would rather hear people shouting obscenities while I bury my child than see the government restrain free speech.
    I would put it another way, not meaning to have an argument with you, but,

    are you not putting the right to be obscene above the right to respectfully bury the dead.
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