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  • It's harassment and should be illegal

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    They also have the right to have their asses beat.
    That's one of the risks of free speech, fo sho.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    They also have the right to have their asses beat.
    That's not actually a right as much as it is assault.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not actually a right as much as it is assault.
    it's a risk of free speech, not a right. You have the right to speak, but your speech may result in getting your ass kicked. Of course, the ass kicker will likely get arrested, but such is life in a country with 1st amendment rights.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    it's a risk of free speech, not a right. You have the right to speak, but your speech may result in getting your ass kicked. Of course, the ass kicker will likely get arrested, but such is life in a country with 1st amendment rights.
    I mean, yeah that's a practical outcome. You may piss enough people off to get your ass beat. But it's not legal, you can't beat someone's ass because they're being retarded and ignorant. If you could, the business and psychology departments would be ****ed! Dumb bastards. But you can't, it's illegal. And yes, while someone may beat someone up over what they are saying, the one committing the assault can be arrested and jailed for assault.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, yeah that's a practical outcome. You may piss enough people off to get your ass beat. But it's not legal, you can't beat someone's ass because they're being retarded and ignorant. If you could, the business and psychology departments would be ****ed! Dumb bastards. But you can't, it's illegal. And yes, while someone may beat someone up over what they are saying, the one committing the assault can be arrested and jailed for assault.
    Yep. It isn't enshrined in our constitution, and yet, it's distinctly American.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, yeah that's a practical outcome. You may piss enough people off to get your ass beat. But it's not legal, you can't beat someone's ass because they're being retarded and ignorant. If you could, the business and psychology departments would be ****ed! Dumb bastards. But you can't, it's illegal. And yes, while someone may beat someone up over what they are saying, the one committing the assault can be arrested and jailed for assault.
    That's because you don't have a right to kick someones ass, but everyone has the inalienable right to get their ass kicked.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I'm sure you've heard the story:

    FOXNews.com - Father of Dead Marine Wages Court Battle Against Funeral Protests

    What do you think? Is protesting at funerals free speech that should be protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
    An excerpt from the story:

    Not everyone is on Snyder's side, even if they find Westboro's protests loathsome.

    They point to the undisputed facts of the case. Westboro contacted police before its protest, which was conducted in a designated area on public land -- 1,000 feet from the church where the Mass was held in Westminster, Md.

    The protesters -- Phelps and six family members -- broke no laws. Snyder knew they were present, but he did not see their signs or hear their statements until he turned on the news at his son's wake.

    Jonathan M. Turley, a George Washington University law professor, asked his constitutional law class to grapple with the case. At first, the entire class was sympathetic to Snyder. But after they dug deeper, they concluded that Westboro's speech was protected by the First Amendment.

    "Once you get down to trying to draw the line between privacy and free speech, it becomes clear that a ruling against Westboro could create the danger of a slippery slope for future courts," Turley said.

    Turley, who studies the Supreme Court closely, said it's difficult to predict how the justices will rule.

    Phelps-Roper has no doubt the court will favor Westboro. "If that case can prevail, there is no First Amendment left," she said.

    Some military families see no reason why such protests cannot be restricted.

    "I don't think these people should be allowed to come in and disrupt a family's grief," said Diane Salyers of Sims, Ark., whose son's funeral was picketed by Westboro in 2007. Snyder "speaks for all of us who've been affected by these people."
    I think since the father didn't know of the protests till he turned on the TV, it's not much of a case.

    The Phelps' are an annoyance, and need to be ignored. Nobody cares what they think.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, yeah that's a practical outcome. You may piss enough people off to get your ass beat. But it's not legal, you can't beat someone's ass because they're being retarded and ignorant. If you could, the business and psychology departments would be ****ed! Dumb bastards. But you can't, it's illegal. And yes, while someone may beat someone up over what they are saying, the one committing the assault can be arrested and jailed for assault.
    Not so fast Ikari, if someone is driven to fight through use of words that would incense the typical normative person it's called fighting words and is a valid defense in court.

    For instance if a white guy calls a black guy the N word directly to his face in an angry tone then proceeds to get the **** kicked out of him, a battery did not occur for the purposes of conviction of the black guy because the insult would be considered fighting words. If I had children and someone endangered or disrespected them I would hurt the aggressor, so it would reason I would do that moreso if my children had passed and they did the insulting at their funeral.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I'm sure you've heard the story:

    FOXNews.com - Father of Dead Marine Wages Court Battle Against Funeral Protests

    What do you think? Is protesting at funerals free speech that should be protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
    On the surface, there is nothing wrong with this.
    Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom from offense.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not so fast Ikari, if someone is driven to fight through use of words that would incense the typical normative person it's called fighting words and is a valid defense in court.

    For instance if a white guy calls a black guy the N word directly to his face in an angry tone then proceeds to get the **** kicked out of him, a battery did not occur for the purposes of conviction of the black guy because the insult would be considered fighting words. If I had children and someone endangered or disrespected them I would hurt the aggressor, so it would reason I would do that moreso if my children had passed and they did the insulting at their funeral.
    Wouldn't the slogan on placards, "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" be construed as "fighting words"? If it were my soldier son being buried, especially if I was a practicing Christian, I'd certainly feel like wrapping that placard around a Phelps. It might not be the right reaction, but who would sit on a jury and convict me?
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