View Poll Results: Is protesting at funerals 'Free Speech'?

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  • It's harassment and should be illegal

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i still loathe them.
    Oh, they're not people to look up to in the least. I think that they should be protested everywhere they go. "God hates self-righteous douchebags" with an arrow pointing to them. Still, I'll accept that these self-righteous douchebags have the right to speech, assembly, association, and protest.
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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i still loathe them.
    It's okay to loathe them. It isn't okay to deprive them of basic constitutional rights.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    I am going to bow out of this discussion in as polite a manner as I can. Get ready.

    Bye.
    Last edited by Flea; 04-15-10 at 01:01 PM.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. In almost 300 years, it's never been interpreted that way.



    The right to privacy applies to GOVERNMENT intrusions, not private ones.
    social security, medicare/medicaid. you are correct about the right to privacy.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's okay to loathe them. It isn't okay to deprive them of basic constitutional rights.
    if i knew, however, they they disrupted funerals, i would feel different. but since synder didn't see or hear them, i don't really know how intrusive they were.

    once violence breaks out, as is bound to occur, we'll see what happnes.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    social security, medicare/medicaid.
    There is a difference between society stepping up and taking care of those who are infirm, old, or ill, and providing global health care. Your "reading" of the constitution is quite novel.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if i knew, however, they they disrupted funerals, i would feel different. but since synder didn't see or hear them, i don't really know how intrusive they were.

    once violence breaks out, as is bound to occur, we'll see what happnes.
    Exactly right, for a court challenge on the standing of the right itself as pertains to this situation it first must be tested in reality.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's okay to loathe them. It isn't okay to deprive them of basic constitutional rights.
    I agree to an extent, the problem though comes from the question of whether or not they have overstepped the basic right. Even though I wish the worst for these scum, I must thank them begrudgingly for the next interesting study of the first amendment and it's limits.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It isn't okay to deprive them of basic constitutional rights.
    Just to clarify another point, the arguments I'm presenting would not deprive them of any basic constitutional rights. They would still be free to share their views.

    They would still be free to protest at/during funerals. They would also still be free have protests with signs that say things like "Fag Soldier in Hell" and "God Killed your sons".

    They simply would not be free to combine those two things.

    That is not a deprivation of one's right to free speech. It's a common sense argument designed to prevent harm to the bereaved (and the douchebags who maliciously attack them) and a breech of the peace.

    They still would be able to hold the complete protest, with all the signs they want, anywhere else at the time that the funeral is being held (say another town altogether).

    They would still be able to hold their protest in the same location sans certain malicious signage in any location by the funeral during the time that the funeral is being held.

    What exactly is limited by that?

    The ability to say whatever they want, whenever they want, where ever they want?

    That's a reasonable limitation.

    For example: They would not be allowed to protest at an airport with a sign that says "Pray for more blown up airplane passengers". They'd be stopped from doing this.

    Thus, I would argue this is identical to saying that they shouldn't be allowed to say "Pray for more dead soldiers" at a dead soldier's funeral.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Just to clarify another point, the arguments I'm presenting would not deprive them of any basic constitutional rights. They would still be free to share their views.
    I don't believe that the court is going to decide your way. Historically, fighting words have been extremely limited, and the court has almost always decided in favor of nearly unlimited speech. but, nice try. And you looked cute doing it.

    especially in this case, in light of the fact that the signs and protests weren't even visible at the funeral or burial, I don't think the plaintiff has a snowball's chance. But, you never know.

    Let me put it like this: This is the same court that decided that corporations have 1st Amendment rights.

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