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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    A corpse does not have a reputation to harm. Even if it did, how would you measure it? Loss of employment opportunities? Therapy bills?
    Bro, my Dad died about five years ago. If there had been someone at his funeral badmouthing him and slandering his reputation, that individual would have been fortunate to depart with the same number of teeth with which he arrived. The fact that my father was no longer around to suffer harm for slander on his reputation notwithstanding, the family suffers great trauma when the newly-departed is dissed in this manner.

    I know an appeal to "common decency" may not be the most logically substantiated argument to make... but damn it, "common decency" does say that you don't insult a dead man in front of his grieving family at his damn funeral!

    Pardon. This whole biz just gets my goat.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    If there is one thing that has always confused me, it is people that get so ****ing pissy when other people badmouth them, their friends or their family. WTF is wrong with people. Who the hell cares what some jackass says? Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me? And then to get so pissy about it that you got to go and fight over it? Gay beyond comprehension.

    If somebody says that they are going to kill your kid, fine. **** em up. But if some guy badmouths some awesome loved one that I respect, I would start ridiculing them about being so pathetic. They can start something, but to go out and start a fight over that, lame.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    If there is one thing that has always confused me, it is people that get so ****ing pissy when other people badmouth them, their friends or their family. WTF is wrong with people. Who the hell cares what some jackass says? Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me? And then to get so pissy about it that you got to go and fight over it? Gay beyond comprehension.

    If somebody says that they are going to kill your kid, fine. **** em up. But if some guy badmouths some awesome loved one that I respect, I would start ridiculing them about being so pathetic. They can start something, but to go out and start a fight over that, lame.

    You and I apparently come from different cultures, or perhaps different eras, my friend.

    When I was young, and even more so when my father was young, a man's reputation was important. Your good name meant something, and it meant something to your neighbors. Allowing someone to slander your good name and get away with it was viewed as weakness, and often made people wonder if the reason you didn't defend your honor was because there was something to the accusations that were being made.

    Those who run their mouths too much are subject to having them shut the hard way. This still holds true in many places and many strata of society.

    If someone was slandering my father at his funeral, and I stood there at let this moonbat talk junk while my just-now-widowed mother had to listen to it, and I didn't shut him up or get rid of him one way or another.... I'd never be able to look in a mirror again.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You and I apparently come from different cultures, or perhaps different eras, my friend.

    When I was young, and even more so when my father was young, a man's reputation was important. Your good name meant something, and it meant something to your neighbors. Allowing someone to slander your good name and get away with it was viewed as weakness, and often made people wonder if the reason you didn't defend your honor was because there was something to the accusations that were being made.

    Those who run their mouths too much are subject to having them shut the hard way. This still holds true in many places and many strata of society.
    A man's reputation is important. But fighting over it just doesn't cut it. Atticus Finch represented an average man with honor and respect, but did he fight? No. Hell, there are guys that if you look at them wrong will fight, but does that equal honor or good reputation? Depends. I think it doesn't ever. That's just me.

    If a person comes from an area where their neighbors and townspeople are so shallow that they will think poorly of a good man just because he doesn't fight, well, **** those losers is all I gotta say, that person should move away. What moronic tools. Let them live their little fantasies of honor if they like. Personally, I would move and let them think what they want to.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    A man's reputation is important. But fighting over it just doesn't cut it. Atticus Finch represented an average man with honor and respect, but did he fight? No. Hell, there are guys that if you look at them wrong will fight, but does that equal honor or good reputation? Depends. I think it doesn't ever. That's just me.

    If a person comes from an area where their neighbors and townspeople are so shallow that they will think poorly of a good man just because he doesn't fight, well, **** those losers is all I gotta say, that person should move away. What moronic tools. Let them live their little fantasies of honor if they like. Personally, I would move and let them think what they want to.

    As I say, we come from different times or different cultures.

    There are some things that just flat-out call for a punch in the mouth. There are times when it is appropriate and reasonable, and it just might help the loud-mouth avoid future embarassment. Nothing spells "remember this" like p.a.i.n.

    I'm not talking about punching every moron that says something stupid. That would be a full-time job. But there are some things that are just beyond being tolerated, and this is one of them.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As I say, we come from different times or different cultures.

    There are some things that just flat-out call for a punch in the mouth. There are times when it is appropriate and reasonable, and it just might help the loud-mouth avoid future embarassment. Nothing spells "remember this" like p.a.i.n.

    I'm not talking about punching every moron that says something stupid. That would be a full-time job. But there are some things that are just beyond being tolerated, and this is one of them.
    I couldn't agree more. Just wanted to say that.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As I say, we come from different times or different cultures.

    There are some things that just flat-out call for a punch in the mouth. There are times when it is appropriate and reasonable, and it just might help the loud-mouth avoid future embarassment. Nothing spells "remember this" like p.a.i.n.

    I'm not talking about punching every moron that says something stupid. That would be a full-time job. But there are some things that are just beyond being tolerated, and this is one of them.
    I understand you, and have lived around, not areas, but people like that, and I am not judging anybody. I am a classic waste of breath myself. I hear you too. Some things do. I agree. For me, the reason would have to be pretty severe.

    Could you imagine busting into a fight every time some dork mouthed off? You're right. It would be a full time job.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I couldn't agree more. Just wanted to say that.
    Really? I always wonder. Could a person actually agree more?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bro, my Dad died about five years ago. If there had been someone at his funeral badmouthing him and slandering his reputation, that individual would have been fortunate to depart with the same number of teeth with which he arrived. The fact that my father was no longer around to suffer harm for slander on his reputation notwithstanding, the family suffers great trauma when the newly-departed is dissed in this manner.

    I know an appeal to "common decency" may not be the most logically substantiated argument to make... but damn it, "common decency" does say that you don't insult a dead man in front of his grieving family at his damn funeral!

    Pardon. This whole biz just gets my goat.
    I hear where you're coming from. We buried my paternal grandfather last summer. Although I can't imagine any reason a person would want to drive ten miles past the boondocks to protest at the grave of an 86-year-old WW2 vet, if for some reason a person did, the thin veneer of civility would have evaporated immediately and they'd have been walking into a down-home Bald Knobber asswhuppin', and that's all there is to it. I'm certainly not saying it is in any way decent or right to protest at a person's funeral. What the Phelps clan does is deplorable, and I wouldn't feel the least bit of sympathy for any of them if they were all to be run over by a semi at their next event.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I hear where you're coming from. We buried my paternal grandfather last summer. Although I can't imagine any reason a person would want to drive ten miles past the boondocks to protest at the grave of an 86-year-old WW2 vet, if for some reason a person did, the thin veneer of civility would have evaporated immediately and they'd have been walking into a down-home Bald Knobber asswhuppin', and that's all there is to it. I'm certainly not saying it is in any way decent or right to protest at a person's funeral. What the Phelps clan does is deplorable, and I wouldn't feel the least bit of sympathy for any of them if they were all to be run over by a semi at their next event.
    Right. Some old Italien guy happens to talk some smack about American Forces as he is fishing in hickville and you're just gonna beat the **** out of him. All this bravado is pretty damn silly. Too many childish men out there that need to mature a bit.

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