View Poll Results: Is protesting at funerals 'Free Speech'?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander
    What if they're disrupting the services? Do I have the right to scream in your ear, or to shout down a lawful gathering?
    Catz mentioned noise ordinances, and in some cases getting that close would be a trespass.

    In addition, when you're in public your rights becomes less enforceable than if you were at home. While I may not have a right to call you any name I damn well please under your own roof, you bet your ass I can call you pretty much anything my creative mind can muster under God's yellow sun.

    I've cursed and cursed people out in front of children, and if they don't like it they can take a walk.

    I would say that if they were within, say, 50 feet of the edge of the service they could be pushed back as they may disrupt. However, your rights don't begin when they fail to reach earshot.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    I personally think that the founding fathers lived in a society that had a better grasp on what is sacred. I don't think they would have ever imagined anyone using a funeral as a platform for even a respectful protest, let alone one laden with irreverent and offensive types of speech.

    In short, I believe a funeral is an inappropriate venue for 'free speech', and protesting at funerals should not be tolerated.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    It shouldn't be considered free speech if it can be seen or heard by any of the funeral attendees. A funeral should be a special case because it is essentially a captive audience. In most cases involving freedom of speech, it is quite easy for the person who disagrees with what is being said to simply walk away or ignore what is being said. That is not the case at a funeral. A funeral is specifically for the person's loved ones to say goodbye and see that person for the last time.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    It shouldn't be considered free speech if it can be seen or heard by any of the funeral attendees. A funeral should be a special case because it is essentially a captive audience. In most cases involving freedom of speech, it is quite easy for the person who disagrees with what is being said to simply walk away or ignore what is being said. That is not the case at a funeral. A funeral is specifically for the person's loved ones to say goodbye and see that person for the last time.
    Then hold it at a private cemetery where trespass laws can be enforced.

    Outside your four walls, you have absolutely no right to be protected from that you wish not to hear. By doing that, you inhibit another's rights, and I'm not down with that.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I'm sure you've heard the story:

    FOXNews.com - Father of Dead Marine Wages Court Battle Against Funeral Protests

    What do you think? Is protesting at funerals free speech that should be protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
    Yes it is free speech. That said the cemetery and funeral home are free to kick who ever they want off their property so protesters are free to protest on the side walk or across the street on a sidewalk. I would rather that the US not adopt Eurotrash anti-free speech laws under the guise of thought control laws like hate speech laws.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Yes, it's free speech and needs to be protected.

    Now, can someone explain to me why the Phelps family is still alive? Oh, that's right, Jane Fonda is also still among the living.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Then hold it at a private cemetery where trespass laws can be enforced.

    Outside your four walls, you have absolutely no right to be protected from that you wish not to hear. By doing that, you inhibit another's rights, and I'm not down with that.
    Most people do not get to choose their own burial site. In fact, the family only has a choice of those plots that are open, if they get a choice at all, whatever location they are in, whether the cemetery is public or private. It is not right for anyone to have to have their grieving interrupted because they happened to be only able to get a plot that is near the edge of the cemetery. A person should not be able to be harassed simply because they can't afford to grieve in a more private setting.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most people do not get to choose their own burial site. In fact, the family only has a choice of those plots that are open, if they get a choice at all, whatever location they are in, whether the cemetery is public or private. It is not right for anyone to have to have their grieving interrupted because they happened to be only able to get a plot that is near the edge of the cemetery. A person should not be able to be harassed simply because they can't afford to grieve in a more private setting.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Sometimes, being an American is hard.
    Being a decent human being, and expecting others to be as well, is not. I do not agree with most policies that would intrude on someone's free speech. But these protesters are intruding on a family's religious rite, one that is heavily charged with negative emotions. At the very least, the protesters can easily be seen by a reasonable person to be trying to pick a fight.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    religious rite
    Error. Does not compute.

    In many federal buildings, especially courts, you are not allowed to wear hats. Go into one with a burqa or yarmulke and see what happens.

    Separation of church and state, dear.

    On top of that, I don't know anything about cemeteries being a religious observence. Atheists die and have loved ones too.

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