View Poll Results: Is protesting at funerals 'Free Speech'?

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  • No, this was never the intent of the founding fathers!

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  • It's harassment and should be illegal

    24 43.64%
  • It's open to interpretation

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  • It's most certainly a form of protected free speech

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    it is not the same thing at all and celebrities usually love the limelight anyway. Now if you think that at the funeral of say Princess Dianna these phelps people would be there hurling abuses and obscenities and assuming her funeral was in the United States, what exactly do you think would happen?

    Please remember the people who the phelps abuse have done no wrong.
    Phelps? never heard that term before.

    These people were not standing in the way or even near the funeral, the dad did not even know that it happened until he saw it on the news later that night. It is not like the protestors were screaming obsenities at some poor parent going to bury their kid, get a grip already.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That concern completely ignores the location/situation specific aspects of argument being presented, though.
    This presumes that these will not change.

    This is more than just freedom from being offended. This is freedom form having to deal with people deliberately trying to inflict emotional harm on you during a time of bereavement.
    Fow now.

    The argument here can be applied in any number of ways to any number of situations. If you were bombarded by shouts of "(your favorite team) suck!" as you walked ouf of the stadium after a stunning, shockiong and absolutely humiliating Superbowl loss, you are in a similar situation.

    Or, for that matter, what;s the real difference between that and the KKK gathering in th eghetto-homie part of town, talking about what they usuall talk about? How long before that is considered 'emotonal harm'?

    What everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as "measurable" harm. Harm to the individual cannot be quantified by any means
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    Financial loss, physical injuries, etc.
    These things -can- be measured -- and, if you wanted to, you could create a
    'unit' from those measurements, describing equivelancies among them.

    The situation-specific nature of whether or not the words are harmful precludes the slippery slope nature of your concerns.
    Only if this does not change.

    It makes it non-subjective.
    Without a measureable standard of harm, as you argue, it is all subjective.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I doubt I would. Even in a state of loss, I would think that people saying that I or my dead loved one going to hell was hillbilly stupid at best.
    I agree with that. Since 'hell' doesn't exist, I'd pretty much be apathetic about such silly comments. Such comments would only show me the idiocy of the person saying them and certainly not be a bother to me.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I agree with that. Since 'hell' doesn't exist, I'd pretty much be apathetic about such silly comments. Such comments would only show me the idiocy of the person saying them and certainly not be a bother to me.
    I had a friend all of a sudden bust out one day how religious she was and that the jokes we were making made it a certainty that we were going to hell. I clarified, and she said not just hell, but we would burn in the depths of hell and that demons would torture us for eternity. It was funny. I was struck at how stupid that sounded and have never changed my thought.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Possibly if one does not have the ability to have empathy or to imagine what it is like one may just think that a funeral is just like any other day.
    This is some great pathos you've created here. It would probably make me sob uncontrollably if I didn't have a black hole where my heart should be.

    If one is unable to imagine how one would feel were this to be done at the funeral of those one loves most, it is difficult to see how they could come to a rational decision.
    It doesn't have anything to do with whether protesters at funerals make baby Jesus or you cry. It's a matter of law and constitutional rights.

    The right to hurl abuses
    For the most part, constitutionally protected.

    The right to peace while you take your loved ones to their funeral and go home after.
    Really. Where is this right protected in the constitution?

    When all is said and done, that's all that matters.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I had a friend all of a sudden bust out one day how religious she was and that the jokes we were making made it a certainty that we were going to hell. I clarified, and she said not just hell, but we would burn in the depths of hell and that demons would torture us for eternity. It was funny. I was struck at how stupid that sounded and have never changed my thought.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
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    I'll even let you go in front of me in line.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I'll even let you go in front of me in line.
    Awww, schmoopsie.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    I support protesting at funerals. However, I also support the right for family and friends to bury and remember their dead in peace. What I think should be done is implement a decibel limit for how loud protesters can protest outside of funerals. You can ignore them while they protest without having the funeral be audibly disturbed. Specifically about the Westboro church group, they have their right to protest outside of soldiers funerals, but we also have the right to protest at Phelp's funeral when he dies and begins his rotting in hell

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