View Poll Results: Is protesting at funerals 'Free Speech'?

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  • No, this was never the intent of the founding fathers!

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  • It's harassment and should be illegal

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  • It's open to interpretation

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  • It's most certainly a form of protected free speech

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    My concern here is that the subjective nature of all of this will eventually lead to the notion that we have a "freedom from being offended", because to cause offense is to bring harm.
    That is my concern, as well. And, the Phelps group are particularly appropriate for being used for this purpose because they are so universally reprehensible.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    It has been like this for quite a while. People just don't know. Look at fighting words or profanity or obscenity all of these things are not protected, some argue it is a slippery slope. I can understand that.
    Fighting words, libel, slander, etc are all legitimate restrcitions -- they cause measureable harm or place people in a state of clear and present danger.

    Beyond that, however, we have a simple illustration of how thin-skinned we have become, and how we see the need to have everything we do not like addressed in court.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The target of the slander/libel is DEAD. He or she cannot be damaged further.
    Yet there are laws and regulations concerning the treatment of a corpse.

    On that note - since they're dead what's the point of protesting? These people use the fallen soldier as direct access TO large numbers of military personnel - you cannot try to convince me, not even for a second, that they only do it in regard to the fallen soldier without having any intention of insulting, offending, hurting or commiting slander and libel to the family and friends present.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Time/Place/Manner. They have every right to do this, but if they are infringing on the right to hold a respectful funeral(freedom of religion) then they are in the wrong.

    Time: 12P EST anyday of the week; Place: Main st. business district; Manner: Waving signs shouting obscenities......no problem. vs. Time: During a private funeral; Place: Within earshot/plain view of the rite; Manner: Shouting obscenities/offensive written expressions then the family they directly inflicted harrassment upon should have legal recourse, this falls under harrassment, fighting words, and potentially incitement to riot, as well as disturbing the piece.
    I agree that it is not good. It is not wrong though. The KKK has been granted assemblies at times that have have incited violence due to protestors. The police protect the KKK's right to free speech. Proximity has nothing to do with it. Is it rude? Yes. Is it illegal? No. Can problems or violence arise. Most likely. The first person to be violent is the offendor though.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That is my concern, as well. And, the Phelps group are particularly appropriate for being used for this purpose because they are so universally reprehensible.
    Is this the 3rd time you've agreed with me today?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I personally don't see why people care if others think they are going to Hell. Why is that so annoying to people?
    I think that it would only bother a super religious person.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Okay, and your point is?
    You said you didn't think they interfered with the funeral.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I think that it would only bother a super religious person.
    I think it would bother anyone and I have seen them say far worse.

    When you are at the funeral of someone you love you are not in your normal state. Probably the thing that is most important to you is to feel your warmth for them and that is shattered by these people from hell. Even the most together people would be hurt.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yet there are laws and regulations concerning the treatment of a corpse.
    These laws are usually health-related. Are the Phelps protesters desecrating the body or attempting to fornicate with it?

    On that note - since they're dead what's the point of protesting? These people use the fallen soldier as direct access TO large numbers of military personnel - you cannot try to convince me, not even for a second, that they only do it in regard to the fallen soldier without having any intention of insulting, offending, hurting or commiting slander and libel to the family and friends present.
    I think they use this primarily to access the global media. That they get to screw emotionally with service personnel is just icing on the cake for them.

    Even so, no one is denying that they are assholes. Does the fact that they are assholes justify undermining the right of free speech that soldiers fight and die for?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    You said you didn't think they interfered with the funeral.
    In the OP, they didn't. But even if they did, as long as they were following local laws and ordinances, there is no guarantee that people aren't going to disrupt your life. Burying people without being offended isn't a protected right.

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