View Poll Results: Is protesting at funerals 'Free Speech'?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Of course, I also see the other side here. If you say to protesters you can't speak your voice here or there, then when and where can they do it? What other restricts will be placed on "freedom of speech?"
    They don't have to be seen by the funeral attendees (and in this case, weren't) in order to exercise their free speech. So, it's up to the local jurisdictions to, in most cases, enforce existing ordinances.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Okay? That's not the issue. The issue is whether we want government involved. And, my answer is "Hell no." Local government already has more than enough ability to control noise and disruption.
    I'd have to say you don't get government involvement when people treat others with decency and respect. To me, protesting at funerals is nothing more than grandstanding of the worst kind. It's on par with defacing a grave sight. You just don't do it even if you have every right to do it. (Except defacing a grave sight is illegal in pretty much every state. So, it's a bad example, but I think you get my point. "Just because you can do it, doesn't mean that you should.")

    The protesters could have chosen another time or place to voice their grievences. They simply choose to air their complaints at a place and time that provided the most shock value. Again, they have every right to do so under the law. I just think they're wrong for doing it this way.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The protesters could have chosen another time or place to voice their grievences. They simply choose to air their complaints at a place and time that provided the most shock value. Again, they have every right to do so under the law. I just think they're wrong for doing it this way.
    And that and 99 cents will get you an iced mocha at McDonald's.

    The fact that you think it's wrong is precisely why they do it.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    No need to be so coy about it, dear. I'm just saying I wouldn't pick such a venue to voice my grievences. The protesters who have chosen to do so have every right to. I just think they could have gotten their point across another way.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No need to be so coy about it, dear. I'm just saying I wouldn't pick such a venue to voice my grievences. The protesters who have chosen to do so have every right to. I just think they could have gotten their point across another way.
    You see my tone as "coy"? Interesting. Nice swing, but a complete miss.

    Of course they could have staged their protest elsewhere, but no one would have paid attention. They do it like this because it's like a ****ing car accident. You can't help but look and be horrified. THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT.

    THEY ARE ASSHOLES. That doesn't mean that they don't have a right to free speech.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 04-14-10 at 03:55 PM.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    These people are exactly the reason why I would fully support re-legalizing dueling.
    Only if you can do it while having "Glove Slap" playing in the background and then are able to go forth and start a tomacco farm.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I thought from your statement that this was assumed.
    I am assuming that this could be shown, but it's more based on my research into grief counseling for my Master's program than actually looking up specific data.

    I haven't actually done any research into the specific situation so I can't say for certain how well it would be presented in court.

    My guess is that any psychiatrist/psychologist/counselor will concur that such actions would almost definitely inflict some degree of emotional damage upon the bereaved (who are already in a weakened emotional state as it is). I would guess it will be almost impossible to find one that would say that it wouldn't inflict an emotional wound of some sort upon them.

    The statements by the guy suing the church as well as other bereaved family members who've been targeted by Phelps' despicable behavior also concurs with that.

    But without actually doing the targeted research, I can only speak from the perspective of a grad student in psychological counseling, and that I know such a wound would almost universally be inflicted. I am also assuming that it would be very easy to gather the data necessary to confirm these assumptions of mine.

    But for the sake of honesty, I must admit that I haven't actually done targeted research on the matter, just generalized research about the emotional states associated with grief. That research leads me to these conclusions.

    P.S. Earlier when I said "One could easily find tons of psychological evidence to show" I should have said "It should be easy". My mistake and appologies.
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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My guess is that any psychiatrist/psychologist/counselor will concur that such actions would almost definitely inflict some degree of emotional damage upon the bereaved (who are already in a weakened emotional state as it is). I would guess it will be almost impossible to find one that would say that it wouldn't inflict an emotional wound of some sort upon them.
    How would you measure it, though, given that grief itself inflicts such a tremendous physical toll on people?

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My guess is that any psychiatrist/psychologist/counselor will concur that such actions would almost definitely inflict some degree of emotional damage upon the bereaved (who are already in a weakened emotional state as it is). I would guess it will be almost impossible to find one that would say that it wouldn't inflict an emotional wound of some sort upon them.
    Hmm. Seems to me, with this, that just about any sort of offensive language may fall under 'causes harm'.

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    Re: Is protesting at funerals 'free speech'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm. Seems to me, with this, that just about any sort of offensive language may fall under 'causes harm'.
    Our country is doomed. Offensive language is part of what made this country great.

    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 04-14-10 at 04:04 PM.

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