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If you had to flee America.

If You Had to Flee America. Where to?


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I will not run away. I will fight and die right here where I stand. Texans don't run from ****. :mrgreen:--I do plan on taking as many as I can with me, however.
 
If Obamanomics really did a number on our nation and you had to flee, where would you want to go?
Once Obamanomics/Obamaflation/Obamadebt 'does a number' on the US, bringing about the economic, governmental and societal collapse of same, it wont matter where you go, as the rest of the world will soon follow.

So, I am staying here as I know more people and am famliar with the territory.
 
Why is it cowardly to live where you want to live? That makes no sense

Of course that makes no sense. Strawmen usually don't make any sense, that's why they are easy to defeat.

To explain, I did not say that living where you want to live is cowardly.

I said it was cowardly to "flee".

The OP asks "If you had to flee America". This means that this is not simply making a choice based on preference, because you must actually want to remain, but cannot do so without having to fight so instead choose to flee.

In essence, my statement was the exact opposite of what you have decided to morph it into. I'm saying it's cowardly to choose to "flee" instead of living where you want to and fighting for that.


If faced with the decision to flee or fight, I will choose fight because I find it cowardly to roll over and flee (although it is typically the safer alternative). That being said, I would probably send my family elsewhere in the interim to alleviate the risk to their lives that staying and fighting would present.
 
I think a situation where I would feel the need to flee would be limited strictly to a situation where my family was in serious danger. My ancestors have soaked the ground of America's battlefields with far too much of their blood for me to take such an action lightly.

As I said above, I would more than likely send my family off to a safer place first.
 
Of course that makes no sense. Strawmen usually don't make any sense, that's why they are easy to defeat.

To explain, I did not say that living where you want to live is cowardly.

I said it was cowardly to "flee".

The OP asks "If you had to flee America". This means that this is not simply making a choice based on preference, because you must actually want to remain, but cannot do so without having to fight so instead choose to flee.

In essence, my statement was the exact opposite of what you have decided to morph it into. I'm saying it's cowardly to choose to "flee" instead of living where you want to and fighting for that.


If faced with the decision to flee or fight, I will choose fight because I find it cowardly to roll over and flee (although it is typically the safer alternative). That being said, I would probably send my family elsewhere in the interim to alleviate the risk to their lives that staying and fighting would present.

If one is fleeing, the obviously one does NOT want to remain. And wishes to live elsewhere. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fleeing. Eh? ;)
 
Mexico.

I'm going to retire there anyway. Might as well just start sooner.
 
If one is fleeing, the obviously one does NOT want to remain. And wishes to live elsewhere. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fleeing. Eh? ;)

No, you've got it backwards. They are fleeing because they want to remain, but have had their options limited to simply "fight" or "flight". In order to "flee" one must absolutely wish to remain, but has had their options limited by threat.

For example, the gazelle doesn't want to leave the watering hole when the lion shows up, it has simply had it's options limited to "run like hell or become an appetizer" or "try and hold your ground and possibly, even probably become an appetizer". It chooses run like hell because that is the safest bet, but its desire to drink has not been fulfilled and it gives up it's desire for safety.

I guarantee it isn't taking a sip of water thinking "You know what I really want? I want to have to run my mother ****ing ass off in order to save my life. That'd be awesome right now. I hope a lion shows up. I'd feel stupid if I did it simply because I wanted to."

When it decides to leave the watering hole without any threats being present, due to the fact that the watering hole no longer suited it's needs, then it can never be classified as fleeing. In those cases, it's just moving on.

Living where you want to live is "moving on". Fleeing is "running like hell".
 
No, you've got it backwards. They are fleeing because they want to remain, but have had their options limited to simply "fight" or "flight". In order to "flee" one must absolutely wish to remain, but has had their options limited by threat.

For example, the gazelle doesn't want to leave the watering hole when the lion shows up, it has simply had it's options limited to "run like hell or become an appetizer" or "try and hold your ground and possibly, even probably become an appetizer". It chooses run like hell because that is the safest bet, but its desire to drink has not been fulfilled and it gives up it's desire for safety.

I guarantee it isn't taking a sip of water thinking "You know what I really want? I want to have to run my mother ****ing ass off in order to save my life. That'd be awesome right now. I hope a lion shows up. I'd feel stupid if I did it simply because I wanted to."

When it decides to leave the watering hole without any threats being present, due to the fact that the watering hole no longer suited it's needs, then it can never be classified as fleeing. In those cases, it's just moving on.

Living where you want to live is "moving on". Fleeing is "running like hell".
The OP doesn't say anything about fighting, civil war, etc.
 
It's implied by the very nature of the word "flee" which only happens when threatened.

Yeah... I didn't read it that way. I read it as "leave" given the context of the sentence he used it in. Since he didn't mention any fighting and whatnot.
 
It's implied by the very nature of the word "flee" which only happens when threatened.
You are correct.

To flee is to be forced to leave, as is leaving against your will.
For that to be the case, you have to want to stay where you are.

Its sorta like being unable to rape the willing.
 
Yeah... I didn't read it that way. I read it as "leave" given the context of the sentence he used it in. Since he didn't mention any fighting and whatnot.

The of the context of the sentence very clearly calls for the "run away/escape from danger" definition since the specific danger being discussed is actually described in the OP.

Where did you get the definition of flee that means to simply "leave"? I've never personally encountered any dictionaries that define it as such. Always very specific definitions using terms like "run away from danger", "escape from danger", etc.


To explain, while fleeing is a type of leaving, it is a very specific type. While all fleeing is leaving, not all leaving is fleeing.
 
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The of the context of the sentence very clearly calls for the "run away/escape from danger" definition since the specific danger being discussed is actually described in the OP.

Where did you get the definition of flee that means to simply "leave"? I've never personally encountered any dictionaries that define it as such. Always very specific definitions using terms like "run away from danger", "escape from danger", etc.


To explain, while fleeing is a type of leaving, it is a very specific type. While all fleeing is leaving, not all leaving is fleeing.

Sometimes people use wrong words. I read the context of the sentence, which included the word 'Obamanomics', which registers to me as being related to economics, which does not register to me as being related to fighting in a war. Therefore, I based my 'read' of the word on the notion that he did not actually mean "flee" as in "run for your lives, henny penny, the sky is falling", but rather to simply 'leave'.

Had his post said, "If due to impending war, you were forced to flee the US, where would you go?" I would have read it as "run for your life".

I am not, nor will I ever be, a literalist. I tend to read context and interpret word usage thus. Sometimes I am right, and sometimes I am wrong. C'est la vie.
 
I would go to England, Saville Row sounds awesome. Plus I don't want people to ask me if I voted for Obama before tailoring my suit.
 
I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but I find it somewhat ironic that about half the choices are even more socialist than the economy we are fleeing from. :lol:
 
I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but I find it somewhat ironic that about half the choices are even more socialist than the economy we are fleeing from. :lol:

Exactly, I love American hypocrisy. First we claim our country is socialist (which we have been for decades), and then refer to other nations which are more socialist.
 
I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but I find it somewhat ironic that about half the choices are even more socialist than the economy we are fleeing from. :lol:
I wouldn't flee if this country became socialist (or more socialist than it is now). I'm thinking more along the lines of Germany in 1939 or something.
 
I wouldn't flee if this country became socialist (or more socialist than it is now). I'm thinking more along the lines of Germany in 1939 or something.

The OP mentioned "Obamanomics." That's what I was referring to, though I didn't read the whole thread, so if the reason to leave changed, my bad!
 
The OP mentioned "Obamanomics." That's what I was referring to, though I didn't read the whole thread, so if the reason to leave changed, my bad!
I guess I didn't read the OP very closely, then. :3oops:
 
Sometimes people use wrong words. I read the context of the sentence, which included the word 'Obamanomics', which registers to me as being related to economics, which does not register to me as being related to fighting in a war. Therefore, I based my 'read' of the word on the notion that he did not actually mean "flee" as in "run for your lives, henny penny, the sky is falling", but rather to simply 'leave'.

Had his post said, "If due to impending war, you were forced to flee the US, where would you go?" I would have read it as "run for your life".

I am not, nor will I ever be, a literalist. I tend to read context and interpret word usage thus. Sometimes I am right, and sometimes I am wrong. C'est la vie.

Let's focus on the real matter at hand. I wasn't responding to your comments about the OP, I was responding to your comments about my statements.

You simply could not have been using the context to determine that, when I said "flee", I was using any other meaning than it's actual meaning.

The context of my post indicates that your misinterpretation in this case was completely senseless gibberish.

That's why you even said as much when you responded:

Why is it cowardly to live where you want to live? That makes no sense

If it makes no sense, it's because you didn't use context to figure out what I meant by flee. I meant the actual word "flee".

In the future, you can avoid such errors by not operating under the assumption that I'm so much of an idiot I do not know what the word "flee" means and can't use it correctly in a sentence.
 
In the future, you can avoid such errors by not operating under the assumption that I'm so much of an idiot I do not know what the word "flee" means and can't use it correctly in a sentence.

I operated under the assumption you'd read the OP and didn't see any mention of war or fighting.
 
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