View Poll Results: If You Had to Flee America. Where to?

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  • Canada

    34 30.91%
  • Mexico

    6 5.45%
  • Belize

    6 5.45%
  • Costa Rica

    6 5.45%
  • Australia

    29 26.36%
  • New Zealand

    22 20.00%
  • Switzerland

    20 18.18%
  • Netherlands

    14 12.73%
  • Jamaica, Bahamas, other Carribean islands

    12 10.91%
  • Other (specify)

    29 26.36%
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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    If one is fleeing, the obviously one does NOT want to remain. And wishes to live elsewhere. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fleeing. Eh?
    No, you've got it backwards. They are fleeing because they want to remain, but have had their options limited to simply "fight" or "flight". In order to "flee" one must absolutely wish to remain, but has had their options limited by threat.

    For example, the gazelle doesn't want to leave the watering hole when the lion shows up, it has simply had it's options limited to "run like hell or become an appetizer" or "try and hold your ground and possibly, even probably become an appetizer". It chooses run like hell because that is the safest bet, but its desire to drink has not been fulfilled and it gives up it's desire for safety.

    I guarantee it isn't taking a sip of water thinking "You know what I really want? I want to have to run my mother ****ing ass off in order to save my life. That'd be awesome right now. I hope a lion shows up. I'd feel stupid if I did it simply because I wanted to."

    When it decides to leave the watering hole without any threats being present, due to the fact that the watering hole no longer suited it's needs, then it can never be classified as fleeing. In those cases, it's just moving on.

    Living where you want to live is "moving on". Fleeing is "running like hell".
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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, you've got it backwards. They are fleeing because they want to remain, but have had their options limited to simply "fight" or "flight". In order to "flee" one must absolutely wish to remain, but has had their options limited by threat.

    For example, the gazelle doesn't want to leave the watering hole when the lion shows up, it has simply had it's options limited to "run like hell or become an appetizer" or "try and hold your ground and possibly, even probably become an appetizer". It chooses run like hell because that is the safest bet, but its desire to drink has not been fulfilled and it gives up it's desire for safety.

    I guarantee it isn't taking a sip of water thinking "You know what I really want? I want to have to run my mother ****ing ass off in order to save my life. That'd be awesome right now. I hope a lion shows up. I'd feel stupid if I did it simply because I wanted to."

    When it decides to leave the watering hole without any threats being present, due to the fact that the watering hole no longer suited it's needs, then it can never be classified as fleeing. In those cases, it's just moving on.

    Living where you want to live is "moving on". Fleeing is "running like hell".
    The OP doesn't say anything about fighting, civil war, etc.

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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The OP doesn't say anything about fighting, civil war, etc.
    It's implied by the very nature of the word "flee" which only happens when threatened.
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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's implied by the very nature of the word "flee" which only happens when threatened.
    Yeah... I didn't read it that way. I read it as "leave" given the context of the sentence he used it in. Since he didn't mention any fighting and whatnot.

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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's implied by the very nature of the word "flee" which only happens when threatened.
    You are correct.

    To flee is to be forced to leave, as is leaving against your will.
    For that to be the case, you have to want to stay where you are.

    Its sorta like being unable to rape the willing.

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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah... I didn't read it that way. I read it as "leave" given the context of the sentence he used it in. Since he didn't mention any fighting and whatnot.
    The of the context of the sentence very clearly calls for the "run away/escape from danger" definition since the specific danger being discussed is actually described in the OP.

    Where did you get the definition of flee that means to simply "leave"? I've never personally encountered any dictionaries that define it as such. Always very specific definitions using terms like "run away from danger", "escape from danger", etc.


    To explain, while fleeing is a type of leaving, it is a very specific type. While all fleeing is leaving, not all leaving is fleeing.
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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The of the context of the sentence very clearly calls for the "run away/escape from danger" definition since the specific danger being discussed is actually described in the OP.

    Where did you get the definition of flee that means to simply "leave"? I've never personally encountered any dictionaries that define it as such. Always very specific definitions using terms like "run away from danger", "escape from danger", etc.


    To explain, while fleeing is a type of leaving, it is a very specific type. While all fleeing is leaving, not all leaving is fleeing.
    Sometimes people use wrong words. I read the context of the sentence, which included the word 'Obamanomics', which registers to me as being related to economics, which does not register to me as being related to fighting in a war. Therefore, I based my 'read' of the word on the notion that he did not actually mean "flee" as in "run for your lives, henny penny, the sky is falling", but rather to simply 'leave'.

    Had his post said, "If due to impending war, you were forced to flee the US, where would you go?" I would have read it as "run for your life".

    I am not, nor will I ever be, a literalist. I tend to read context and interpret word usage thus. Sometimes I am right, and sometimes I am wrong. C'est la vie.

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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    I would go to England, Saville Row sounds awesome. Plus I don't want people to ask me if I voted for Obama before tailoring my suit.


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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but I find it somewhat ironic that about half the choices are even more socialist than the economy we are fleeing from.
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    Re: If you had to flee America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but I find it somewhat ironic that about half the choices are even more socialist than the economy we are fleeing from.
    Exactly, I love American hypocrisy. First we claim our country is socialist (which we have been for decades), and then refer to other nations which are more socialist.


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