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Thread: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    50% of the kids in my family were seriously injured by a swingset.
    0% died, I presume.

    Do you really think it's a valid comparison?

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Lets say his parents wanted to take him on a backpacking trip through Waziristan while wearing an American flag the entire time. Would you have a problem with that?
    why, i don't think waziristan would that........don't libertarians believe in personal freedoms?

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I think any parents who let their child do this are reckless and irresponsible. However, unless there is a specific legal requirement that forbids this, it should be up to the parents and not the government.

    People don't die doing those things (barring extremely rare, almost unheard of accidents). People die climbing Everest. A lot. You can't really compare it to a schoolyard sport.
    People are injured playing sports all the time.

    Concussions and Head Injuries in Football - The New York Times

    It's not that there is risk, it's the degree of risk.

    But it is in our nature to think that the risk will always happen to someone else.

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And here is where I get to the unpopular part of my stance...The question essentially is, who is a better arbiter of what is in the well being of a child. Either the parents or the government. As soon as we let the government start reviewing these decisions, it's the government who is making the decisions. I do not think that is healthy for us as a society. Sometimes letting parents have the right to make decisions means tragic things happen. I hate it, but it is still overall better for society than having the government make the decisions.
    Do you not get that the government already does review your decisions as to the safety of your child? 99% of the time, the parents are the better arbiter of what is and what is not in the well being of a child. However, there are those rare occasions when either the parents are crazy, stupid, or just mean, and at that point we do expect social services to step in.

    My point is, this is not just black and white here. There is a big gray area we are dealing with.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    0% died, I presume.

    Do you really think it's a valid comparison?
    Actually, I do. I could have been killed, very easily, while rodeoing. One slip...broken neck.

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    People are injured playing sports all the time.

    Concussions and Head Injuries in Football - The New York Times

    It's not that there is risk, it's the degree of risk.

    But it is in our nature to think that the risk will always happen to someone else.
    The bolded part is kind of my point. The degree of risk in climbing Everest is so much infinitely greater than playing a sport that they can't really be compared.

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    50% of the kids in my family were seriously injured by a swingset.
    You are making a stupid comparison. The death rate for swing sets is probably about 1 in several billion attempts. For the comparison to be valid, every time your kid attempted to use a swingset, they would have between a 1 in 10 and 1 in 20 chance of dying.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, I do. I could have been killed, very easily, while rodeoing. One slip...broken neck.
    Do 1 in 10 people who rodeo die from doing it?

    I'd argue that smoking for a child (which happens to be illegal, though I'm not sure if that's true if the parents approve) is more dangerous than rodeoing, but less dangerous than Everest. Would you let your 13-year-old chain smoke?

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Do you not get that the government already does review your decisions as to the safety of your child? 99% of the time, the parents are the better arbiter of what is and what is not in the well being of a child. However, there are those rare occasions when either the parents are crazy, stupid, or just mean, and at that point we do expect social services to step in.

    My point is, this is not just black and white here. There is a big gray area we are dealing with.
    Yes, I am aware of this, and I do not like it. There should be certain very concrete situations where a parent can lose parental control, but basically, unless a parent is a criminal, the government should not get involved.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Do 1 in 10 people who rodeo die from doing it?

    I'd argue that smoking for a child (which happens to be illegal, though I'm not sure if that's true if the parents approve) is more dangerous than rodeoing, but less dangerous than Everest. Would you let your 13-year-old chain smoke?

    Do I think they're stupid for letting him try this at 13? Yes.

    Do I think it is my business, or anyone else's, to stop them if he's willing and there isn't some obvious reason that he can't do this (like having one leg)? No.

    Personally I think it's a bad call. But it is their call to make.

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