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Thread: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Our son went on his first wilderness canoe trip with me at age 9. He went on his first backpacking trip with me at age 5. He has done several backpacking trips since, including one last summer at age 8 to Holy Cross Wilderness in Colorado and we climbed the two highest passes in Colorado on it. He also goes mountain biking with me and trail running.

    The thing is, while all those activities carry some risk, and are definitely more dangerous at times than what the average kid his age is out doing, unlike climbing Mount Everest, none of them has a 10% death rate.

    The kid has a 1 in 10 chance of dying on that mountain. When you take his age into consideration (and what his VO2 Max is at 13), its probably much greater than that. So really, I don't know if he is old enough to really appreciate the gravity of something like that. He is certainly not old enough to join the military, and most wars are safer than climbing Everest.

    It's actually 4% since the 90s. Regardless, as long as he is physically capable of doing it, which given his past record he appears to be, it should be up to the parents and this kid if they think it is worth the risk.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's actually 4% since the 90s. Regardless, as long as he is physically capable of doing it, which given his past record he appears to be, it should be up to the parents and this kid if they think it is worth the risk.
    The kid probably isn't even tall enough to ride a roller coaster.

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The kid probably isn't even tall enough to ride a roller coaster.
    Is there a height requirement to climb mountains? If anything, that's in his favor. He has less mass to haul up.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's actually 4% since the 90s. Regardless, as long as he is physically capable of doing it, which given his past record he appears to be, it should be up to the parents and this kid if they think it is worth the risk.
    The death rate as late as 2006 remained 1 in 10.

    BBC NEWS | Health | Concern over Everest death rate

    Of the summits listed in the article that the boy has climbed, only 2 are technical routes, McKinley and Carstenz Pyramid, and both of those are considerably shorter than Everest. That said, if he were an adult, he certainly would be considered fit to climb Everest.

    The problem is that as a parent you can't just allow your kid to take any risk. You don't own your kids, they are not your property. So it seems there are some ethical and legal questions here.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely. But some around here think an 11 year old should be charged and tried as an adult with capital offenses so whatever. I guess a 13 year old should be free to kill himself on a dangerous mountain climb.
    Ah, that's the wonderful part of living in a free country where we elect idiots to conduct our public business. No sense expecting them to exercise moral coherence.

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Is there a height requirement to climb mountains? If anything, that's in his favor. He has less mass to haul up.
    And, as I learned while skateboarding with my son, the shorter you are, the less it hurts when you fall.

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Is there a height requirement to climb mountains?
    Yeah. There's a little sign at the base of every mountain that says "You must be this tall to climb mountain."

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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post

    The kid has a 1 in 10 chance of dying on that mountain. When you take his age into consideration (and what his VO2 Max is at 13), its probably much greater than that. So really, I don't know if he is old enough to really appreciate the gravity of something like that. He is certainly not old enough to join the military, and most wars are safer than climbing Everest.
    It does not work quite like that. A random person attempting this has a 1 in 10 chance. A specific person has an uncalculatable chance.
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The death rate as late as 2006 remained 1 in 10.

    BBC NEWS | Health | Concern over Everest death rate

    Of the summits listed in the article that the boy has climbed, only 2 are technical routes, McKinley and Carstenz Pyramid, and both of those are considerably shorter than Everest. That said, if he were an adult, he certainly would be considered fit to climb Everest.

    The problem is that as a parent you can't just allow your kid to take any risk. You don't own your kids, they are not your property. So it seems there are some ethical and legal questions here.

    However, since 1990 there has been an explosion of summiteers and fatality statistics have changed. Up to 1990, the Everest fatality rate is a whopping 37%, with 106 deaths and only 284 summits. Yet from 1990 until today, the rate has dropped to 4.4%;
    Mount Everest news - Mount Everest by climbers

    So if the parents don't get to decide what risks he can take, and if he can't decide what risks he gets to take, who does decide? Some social worker who's never met him?
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    Re: Screwed up: Should 13 year old be allowed to go and attempt to climb MT Everest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It does not work quite like that. A random person attempting this has a 1 in 10 chance. A specific person has an uncalculatable chance.
    Yes but to get that 1 in 10. You figure that accomplished climbers with high a very high V02 Max will have a death rate among them of much lower than that. Novice climbers that are not as fit will have a death rate that is much higher. Overall, its 1 in 10.

    He is obviously very fit, but at 13 he is still probably around 53 or so in so far as his V02 Max goes. In 4 years he very well could be over 60. That difference can be life and death over 8000 meters up.
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