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    Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Basic question - Is capital punishment a just punishment in some cases?

    I specifically don't want to talk about whether or not it's a deterrent, I believe there is no real deterrent effect to having the death penalty as a possible punishment... I just want to know what others think insofar as it being a JUST punishment for some crimes.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Basic question - Is capital punishment a just punishment in some cases?

    I specifically don't want to talk about whether or not it's a deterrent, I believe there is no real deterrent effect to having the death penalty be a possible punishment... I just want to know what others think insofar as it being a JUST punishment for some crimes.

    Thoughts?
    In state justice no.
    Basically the state has every incentive to kill of the accused just in case it was wrong.


    With vigilante justice sometimes.
    Sometimes justice needs to be dealt by individuals when the state system doesn't want to.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Basic question - Is capital punishment a just punishment in some cases?

    I specifically don't want to talk about whether or not it's a deterrent, I believe there is no real deterrent effect to having the death penalty as a possible punishment... I just want to know what others think insofar as it being a JUST punishment for some crimes.

    Thoughts?
    You can't ignore the deterrent part though. It might be just (in the sense of justifiable) only because of the deterrent effect, if it exists.

    We shouldn't make penalties based on some high-minded notion of justice anyways. Penalties are deterrents. Period.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You can't ignore the deterrent part though. It might be just (in the sense of justifiable) only because of the deterrent effect, if it exists.

    We shouldn't make penalties based on some high-minded notion of justice anyways. Penalties are deterrents. Period.
    I don't think someone would avoid committing a heinous crime because they suddenly realize, "Oh ****. I might be sentenced to death, therefore I won't follow through with this..."

    I don't think criminals period, think about the consequences of their crimes if caught. I believe they truly think they will get away with it. Otherwise, why would anyone attempt a crime of any caliber?
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I don't think someone would avoid committing a heinous crime because they suddenly realize, "Oh ****. I might be sentenced to death, therefore I won't follow through with this..."

    I don't think criminals period, think about the consequences of their crimes if caught. I believe they truly think they will get away with it. Otherwise, why would anyone attempt a crime of any caliber?
    Think of it this way: if the penalty for rape is the same thing as the penalty for murder, then someone who rapes his victim won't really feel the need to keep her alive. Whereas if killing her will get him killed, he has much less of an incentive to kill her, since even if he tries not to get caught, there's always a chance that he will.

    If penalties don't disincentivize crime, then there's no reason to have any laws at all.
    Yes, criminals now often try not to think about the consequences... but that's because there are consequences that prevent any other type of person from wanting to do such a thing.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    So since deterrence came up, I decided to look and see what I found.

    Deterrence (In Support of the Death Penalty)

    Deterrence (In Opposition to the Death Penalty)

    Basic answer...no one really knows. Another page on that site comes down to the data is flawed in the studies, who knows.

    As far as the original question, this is another one of those questions that I go round and round with myself. I don't like the death penalty, I think in the US we should not take the chance of accidentally executing the innocent(are legal system is supposed to protect the innocent), I think as punishment goes, life in prison is probably worse. Then I hear about some godawful case of some one raping and killing little kids or whatever, and I am ready to push the switch myself. SO basically, I am glad it's not up to me whether it's legal or not.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    As redress suggests, evidence is sketchy on both sides, with a little more suggesting that it's not as effective as people want it to be. Having said that, I'm still in favor of it except for one thing - it is more expensive (because of appeals and what-not) to kill someone than to keep them in prison for the rest of their natural lives.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I don't think criminals period, think about the consequences of their crimes if caught. I believe they truly think they will get away with it. Otherwise, why would anyone attempt a crime of any caliber?
    Like my friend who works in a local prison facility said, when I asked what most of the inmates are in for, "They are all innocent. Just ask them." Iow, they did nothing wrong.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    I don't have a problem with the death penalty for someone who has been convicted of murder without any doubt whatsoever.

    As for prisons in general, I think they should be be much less desirable places to go. Take away the Cable, the computers, and the gyms. Make hard labor a requirement. Many in the prison population have a better life incarcerated than they do on the streets.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    You cannot remove practical considerations when determining justice. Speeding isn't an immoral act, but setting speed limits mitigates accidents. I consider the death penalty to be a sentence that is impossible to reserve and thus extremely expensive. That makes it a poor choice for most criminal cases like murder rape ect. Getting emotional about a particularly nasty criminal is poor justification for the penalty. However, in certain capital crimes like treason and terrorism it has practical uses.

    If I was setting policy on the death penalty, I'd ban it except for serious federal crimes that have a serious impact on a national level. For example, if we someone managed to catch OBL, I would consider it appropriate to execute him.

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