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  • Yes, for the most heinous crimes it is a just punishment

    16 48.48%
  • No, there is never a crime that would warrant taking another's life

    8 24.24%
  • Other - please expound

    7 21.21%
  • There is no death penalty in my country - instead there is...... *explain*

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    I voted "other."

    There are crimes that certainly justify it.

    But do I trust the legal system to make that decision? Do I think that it is never wrong? Absolutely not.

    Therefore I am against capital punishment.

    I always find it funny when certain people who think that the government is too big, too powerful, incompetent and corrupt and can't do anything right have no problem giving the government the power over life and death.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Had to give it a big "NO!"

    Only Barbarians take lives in their justice systems. The court system's buffoonery, makes them imagine that they are helping to solve crimes, defendants be damned.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    We don't have the death penalty. We have life in prison for the most heinous crimes.

    Sometimes I get an emotional reaction when I read about certain horrific crimes and think that person deserves to die, but if it came down to a vote to reinstate the death penalty in my country I'd vote no. I think death is not punishment enough for the kinds of crimes that sometimes make me reconsider my position on the issue.

    If the intent is to remove the person from society, life in prison is more than an adequate solution. If the intent is to punish the perpetrator for his crimes, death is not enough.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    We don't have the death penalty. We have life in prison for the most heinous crimes.

    Sometimes I get an emotional reaction when I read about certain horrific crimes and think that person deserves to die, but if it came down to a vote to reinstate the death penalty in my country I'd vote no. I think death is not punishment enough for the kinds of crimes that sometimes make me reconsider my position on the issue.

    If the intent is to remove the person from society, life in prison is more than an adequate solution. If the intent is to punish the perpetrator for his crimes, death is not enough.
    Indeed! Dying is one way to escape prison.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    The biggest viewpoint behind the "death penalty" is the idea that life after death is worse than life in jail. Its a religious thing.

    The problem is this; where is the f*cking proof?

    Until we can document the fact that there is "punishment" after death, putting criminals in jail is the most just thing we can do.

    This is another problem with that extremely conservative view of this issue. Take my hometown of Texas . They claim to be "pro-life" when they end up killing criminals. Its hypocrisy in its highest form.

    We become just as bad as those criminals when we do this. If this doesn't work for you, I think the system from Minority Report should suffice.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The biggest viewpoint behind the "death penalty" is the idea that life after death is worse than life in jail. Its a religious thing.
    Erm, no, that is not even remotely the biggest viewpoint behind it. I have no idea where you got that notion.
    It doesn't even make sense in the first place, since if they're going to hell, they would do so whether they're killed or die naturally, so the death penalty doesn't even come into it.


    This is another problem with that extremely conservative view of this issue. Take my hometown of Texas . They claim to be "pro-life" when they end up killing criminals. Its hypocrisy in its highest form.
    Your hometown of Texas?

    Anyways, it's not hypocrisy at all. Killing innocent fetuses, if you think they are people, is different than killing convicted murderers. "Pro-life" is just a stupid label (as is "pro-choice").


    We become just as bad as those criminals when we do this.
    No, we don't. Just as we don't become as bad as kidnappers for forcing criminals to go to jail.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Erm, no, that is not even remotely the biggest viewpoint behind it. I have no idea where you got that notion.
    It doesn't even make sense in the first place, since if they're going to hell, they would do so whether they're killed or die naturally, so the death penalty doesn't even come into it.
    That's where I got that notion.

    This idea that these criminals are for sure going to hell is the problem. Like I said, until we have proof that death is a better punishment, the punishment we give to criminals now in jail is the best form. We don't know what happens after death, so we might as well make criminals suffer in jail as long as possible before they die naturally.

    I don't know about you, but I want criminals to suffer. I want them to suffer under our control where we can regulate their punishment to our own specifications.

    If you disagree then please tell me, what the biggest viewpoint behind it actually is.

    Your hometown of Texas?
    Yeah I put my actual hometown then deleted it, and then I forget to change "hometown."

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    No, we don't. Just as we don't become as bad as kidnappers for forcing criminals to go to jail.
    We don't become kidnappers when jailing kidnappers. That's why we have a system of order as far as crime is concerned. We give fair trials with a jury of peers and sentence a criminal if he is found guilty. That's not kidnapping, that's punishment for a wrongdoing in an organized society.

    Execution/the death penalty is a last resort, its a weak-ass option when people become more focused on causing pain/suffering than upholding actual justice. Its a morally hypocritical view.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    That's where I got that notion.

    This idea that these criminals are for sure going to hell is the problem. Like I said, until we have proof that death is a better punishment, the punishment we give to criminals now in jail is the best form. We don't know what happens after death, so we might as well make criminals suffer in jail as long as possible before they die naturally.

    I don't know about you, but I want criminals to suffer. I want them to suffer under our control where we can regulate their punishment to our own specifications.

    If you disagree then please tell me, what the biggest viewpoint behind it actually is.
    Okay, I see what you're saying now. That we think it is punishment, but we can't know that until we know what comes after death. Thanks for clarifying. For the record, I don't believe in hell but still support the death penalty in extreme cases.


    We don't become kidnappers when jailing kidnappers. That's why we have a system of order as far as crime is concerned. We give fair trials with a jury of peers and sentence a criminal if he is found guilty. That's not kidnapping, that's punishment for a wrongdoing in an organized society.
    But just replace "kidnapping" for "murdering" and "kidnappers" for "murderers", and you have the same scenario, just more extreme.

    Execution/the death penalty is a last resort, its a weak-ass option when people become more focused on causing pain/suffering than upholding actual justice. Its a morally hypocritical view.
    It's not about causing pain/suffering, in fact lethal injection is relatively painless. It's about disincentives, which is what penalties are all about in the first place; plus not keeping murderers alive on taxpayers' dimes; plus people seeing certain crimes as depriving someone of their right to live.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Okay, I see what you're saying now. That we think it is punishment, but we can't know that until we know what comes after death. Thanks for clarifying. For the record, I don't believe in hell but still support the death penalty in extreme cases.
    Okay, but why? From what we actually know, the criminal will suffer only a little bit when being injected/executed compared to however many years he faces in jail.




    But just replace "kidnapping" for "murdering" and "kidnappers" for "murderers", and you have the same scenario, just more extreme.
    I don't think I understand what you're saying here. Of course I would give a stronger punishment to murderers, but not death.



    It's not about causing pain/suffering, in fact lethal injection is relatively painless. It's about disincentives, which is what penalties are all about in the first place; plus not keeping murderers alive on taxpayers' dimes; plus people seeing certain crimes as depriving someone of their right to live.
    I see what you mean about disincentives. I would like to find the article, and I'm sure anyone can. Its one that I came across last year, which said that we spend more money on executions than on maintaining prisoners in jails. I was surprised by this, because I thought about it inversely. However, if that's true, then it makes more sense to keep them in jail.


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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The biggest viewpoint behind the "death penalty" is the idea that life after death is worse than life in jail. Its a religious thing.
    I have never heard a single person say that, ever.

    The reason some people who are pro-life can support the death penalty is because they view it as taking an innocent life as opposed to that of someone who has proved himself unworthy of living due to the life(lives) he has taken.
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