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  • Yes, for the most heinous crimes it is a just punishment

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  • No, there is never a crime that would warrant taking another's life

    8 24.24%
  • Other - please expound

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  • There is no death penalty in my country - instead there is...... *explain*

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Basic question - Is capital punishment a just punishment in some cases?

    I specifically don't want to talk about whether or not it's a deterrent, I believe there is no real deterrent effect to having the death penalty as a possible punishment... I just want to know what others think insofar as it being a JUST punishment for some crimes.

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    Absolutely. Teleological ethics. The consequences of an act determines whether an act is good or evil. The consequence of the death penalty results in the death of a horrible criminal. It is just.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I don't think someone would avoid committing a heinous crime because they suddenly realize, "Oh ****. I might be sentenced to death, therefore I won't follow through with this..."

    I don't think criminals period, think about the consequences of their crimes if caught. I believe they truly think they will get away with it. Otherwise, why would anyone attempt a crime of any caliber?
    Most criminals who perform heinous crimes on a regular basis are not deterred by the death penalty because they some criminals (hitmen, drug dealers, etc.) risk death in their illegal activities anyways, so it doesn't really matter who puts them to death, the state or their criminal rivals.

    Those who perform a single or spree heinous crime are not deterred by the death penalty because they're performing a crime of passion and not thinking straight anyways, so it's not going to deter him.

    I don't know how this would be placed in your poll, but I don't agree with the death penalty because it can too often be used by the state to put to death innocent people or is used too selectively, such as more on minorities.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    The consequence of the death penalty results in the death of a horrible criminal. It is just.
    Except when it results in the death of someone convicted and punished of a crime he didn't commit.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except when it results in the death of someone convicted and punished of a crime he didn't commit.
    True. With todays DNA though, this happens less and less. Even people that were locked up before are being let off. Mistakes are very very rare now, and to be honest, innocent people die every day. I would rather have 1 innicent person die and have 9,999 guilty murdering rapist scumbags die, and I bet that the numbers aren't even that close.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Basic question - Is capital punishment a just punishment in some cases?

    I specifically don't want to talk about whether or not it's a deterrent, I believe there is no real deterrent effect to having the death penalty as a possible punishment... I just want to know what others think insofar as it being a JUST punishment for some crimes.

    Thoughts?


    I could care less if it is a deterrent or not. I see it as a ultimate punishment for committing a heinous act. I am also think it is seriously ****ed up to tell the victim's loved ones that they for the rest of their loved one's murderer's life have to support that scumbag.Yeah we know he killed your loved one, but now you get to provide him with 3 meals a day,free medical care, roof, room and board and many other things for the rest of his natural life and while your loved is in the ground rotting he gets to watch cable tv, get a free education, and many other things.


    The only the death penalty could really be an effective deterrent is if executions were televised and swift.Because usually what happens is someone is given a **** load of appeals and that individual ends up staying alive for at least a decade or two before fnally being executed behind closed door. By then everyone has forgotten about the murderer's victim and most people have forgotten about the murderer except for scumbag sympathizers who do not want to see him executed.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Most criminals who perform heinous crimes on a regular basis are not deterred by the death penalty because they some criminals (hitmen, drug dealers, etc.) risk death in their illegal activities anyways, so it doesn't really matter who puts them to death, the state or their criminal rivals.

    Those who perform a single or spree heinous crime are not deterred by the death penalty because they're performing a crime of passion and not thinking straight anyways, so it's not going to deter him.

    I don't know how this would be placed in your poll, but I don't agree with the death penalty because it can too often be used by the state to put to death innocent people or is used too selectively, such as more on minorities.
    Again, I'm not really interested in the detterent factor of the death penalty - more about the justification for putting someone to death - is that a just punishment in some cases.

    Your last paragraph - are you saying you believe that sentencing would be abused? The reason putting someone to death is so costly is because of the appeals process thats put in place to keep innocents from being executed. So do you believe that innocents are often executed? I've heard of it happening, but with modern technologies, I would think that wouldn't be as much of an issue than it used to be.

    As far as the assertion that minorities would be more prone to receiving a sentencing of death? How do you come to that opinion - or am I reading you wrong.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I could care less if it is a deterrent or not. I see it as a ultimate punishment for committing a heinous act. I am also think it is seriously ****ed up to tell the victim's loved ones that they for the rest of their loved one's murderer's life have to support that scumbag.Yeah we know he killed your loved one, but now you get to provide him with 3 meals a day,free medical care, roof, room and board and many other things for the rest of his natural life and while your loved is in the ground rotting he gets to watch cable tv, get a free education, and many other things.


    The only the death penalty could really be an effective deterrent is if executions were televised and swift.Because usually what happens is someone is given a **** load of appeals and that individual ends up staying alive for at least a decade or two before fnally being executed behind closed door. By then everyone has forgotten about the murderer's victim and most people have forgotten about the murderer except for scumbag sympathizers who do not want to see him executed.
    Did you click on the poll to see who voted which way? Just curious.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    I see both sides of the capital punishment debate. No i dont think it is a deterrant. I the eye for an eye side of it..and does a person who murders someone deserve to have that same punishment, part of me says yes. But I also have a side of me that says... killing is killing. Thou shalt not kill, if someone does, killing them back isn't going to take away what they have done. So I guess I am not really sure how I feel on that issue for sure.

    But i do know this. It's very sad that we as a family have to struggle to put food on the table, a roof over our families head, and that my daughter's medication has to wait until we can get her back on our insurance since she turned 19 in November. But hey, we can go out and kill someone and have a roof over our heads, free cable, a full belly three times daily, and free medical care. Something is definitely not right about this picture.

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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Basic question - Is capital punishment a just punishment in some cases?

    I specifically don't want to talk about whether or not it's a deterrent, I believe there is no real deterrent effect to having the death penalty as a possible punishment... I just want to know what others think insofar as it being a JUST punishment for some crimes.

    Thoughts?
    As in is it moral? No, it's not. It's state sponsored killing; nothing moral about that.
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    Re: Capital Punishment - Justified in some cases?

    Yes, I believe it's a just punishment if the crime is heinous enough. And it's the only way to be absolutely certain that person will never again commit another crime.
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