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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Libertarianism is not anarcho-anything. Libertarianism is a minarchist philosophy, and does recognize a power of state to perform actions that fall in the cracks of market failures.

    Libertarianism probably will not exist on a large level for one of the main reasons mentioned early on in the thread - eventually money, in a libertarian construct, will make its way into the hands of a random few who decide to elevate themselves above others, as is a right. The bottom will fall from mouth-breathers who prefer to live an oblivious life and suddenly find themselves unable to make a claim on a welfare state and have it heard in a compassionate way.
    So you're saying libertarianism supports wealth staying in the hands of a few monopolies who would be allowed to use unethical business practices, such as operating at a loss until competition goes out of business, and the inability for the government to ensure healthy and safe work places for it's employees, and no social safety net for health care or retirement. And it's those employees' fault for not getting rich themselves. Or for the businesses screwing them over.

    Sounds great to me!

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Go ahead, explain to me why libertarianism is the sh1t
    Why don't you explain why your initial contribution to this thread was "libertarianism lol"? That way, we can discuss, specifically, what you do not like about it.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Why don't you explain why your initial contribution to this thread was "libertarianism lol"? That way, we can discuss, specifically, what you do not like about it.
    I have a fundamental disagreement on the extent the "Free market" is free. I am more of a keynesian
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh, and FYI - every time you link wikipedia, you become that much more insignificant. Just thought I'd tell you now.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I have a fundamental disagreement on the extent the "Free market" is free. I am more of a keynesian
    Okay, so why do you feel that free market is not a good thing?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Okay, so why do you feel that free market is not a good thing?
    No offense, but that is kinda a loaded question. I think most of us here support a free market, with the question being how free.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Okay, so why do you feel that free market is not a good thing?
    The notion that there should be miniscule government intervention in a free market economy makes me wonder what libertarians think about unethical activity like corporatism, living wage, working conditions, et al
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Thus explains the hyper-liberal view. Anything that disallows you to whine to a bloated bureaucracy when anything happens to you is anarchist. Under a true libertarian state, welfare would still exist (although greatly reformed), public funds would still exist, taxes would still exist, and many other programs. You just wouldn't see a bunch of helpless idiots clamoring for the state to bail them out of a myriad of self-created problems. Teach a man to fish and you make a libertarian. Give a man a fish and you create a socialist.
    Depending what sort of reformed welfare you're talking about, a lot of these "helpless idiots" would not be so because of "a myriad of self-created problems". I mean, how easy is it to make a living out there if you have no formal education and your mother is on welfare? That's certainly not a self-created problem, and even if you undertook to educate yourself (if it's even possible for people in such awful conditions), tough luck getting anybody to believe that you know as much as the college grad next door.

    In a nutshell, you can't really break the cycle of poverty without government intervention--history has shown it won't happen on its own. Does your version of welfare deal with this?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    you deny that people in America are far less self reliant that say 150 years ago and that the creeping crud of welfare-socialism has caused that?

    America became the greatest nation in the world without a New Deal, a progressive income tax or death confiscation taxes. Gun control was rare and there was no department of education



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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    The notion that there should be miniscule government intervention in a free market economy makes me wonder what libertarians think about unethical activity like corporatism, living wage, working conditions, et al
    Living wage always cracks me up

    labor is a commodity. when american companies have to pay more for the same quality commodity than do other companies, our corporations are at a competitive disadvantage. Jobs are nothing more than a corporation obtaining the commodity of labor. when you start applying feel good factors to that transaction, things start getting screwed up



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