View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    mad Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    I can't believe the high percentage of stupid people who said, "no."

    OF COURSE THEY CAN!

    You have studied at least a little American history, haven't you?

    Not only can libertarian principles work, BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE.

    WHEN? America's founding fathers did it. America was founded upon INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY -- LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES -- and as a result, became THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD.

    And furthermore, we must NOT abandon them, lest we collapse like the Soviet Union.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    I can't believe the high percentage of stupid people who said, "no."

    OF COURSE THEY CAN!

    You have studied at least a little American history, haven't you?

    Not only can libertarian principles work, BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE.

    WHEN? America's founding fathers did it. America was founded upon INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY -- LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES -- and as a result, became THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD.
    The greatest nation in the world -- with slavery, child labor, no regulation of unsafe foods, no public schools, no health care for the poor, and no rights for women.

    Mind you, the competition back then wasn't much better. It's a lot easier to be the Greatest Nation in the World when everyone else is bad, too.

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    fyi Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    The greatest nation in the world -- with slavery, child labor, no regulation of unsafe foods, no public schools, no health care for the poor, and no rights for women.

    Mind you, the competition back then wasn't much better. It's a lot easier to be the Greatest Nation in the World when everyone else is bad, too.
    Libertarian principles do NOT endorse slavery or child labor, and they do NOT deny rights for women. The other items in the list are better provided by a free market in the private sector.

    Read the Libertarian Party platform before you make accusations like these.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    I can't believe the high percentage of stupid people who said, "no."

    OF COURSE THEY CAN!

    You have studied at least a little American history, haven't you?

    Not only can libertarian principles work, BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE.

    WHEN? America's founding fathers did it. America was founded upon INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY -- LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES -- and as a result, became THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD.

    And furthermore, we must NOT abandon them, lest we collapse like the Soviet Union.
    Which founding fathers are you thinking of because the ones that I remember codified slavery into their social contract and set up a statist system in which only white male property owners could vote in. The social contract itself is antithetical to individual liberty as it invokes in the state a monopoly on the right to violate the non-aggression principle by forcing anyone who doesn't accept the social contract voluntarily, to abide by it through the use of force, which is both a violation of the right of self ownership and individual sovereignty.

    That being said yes Libertarian policies can work, actual Libertarian policies but not some yesteryear idealized version of a historical United State's that never existed. If you want a reactionary party vote for Pat Buchanan or another paleocon, if you want a radical party vote Libertarian.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Libertarian principles do NOT endorse slavery or child labor, and they do NOT deny rights for women. The other items in the list are better provided by a free market in the private sector.

    Read the Libertarian Party platform before you make accusations like these.
    Oh of course they don't approve these things.

    They instead have some belief that in a perfect world these things can all be resolved with peace, love and understanding.

    In many ways, libertarians are just like communists. They are at the exact opposite ends of the "government involvement" spectrum, but both have an idealized notion of how the world works which in no way is supported by reality. One things that all of our problems can be solved if the government gets out of our lives, and one thinks that all of our problems can be solved if the government controls all our lives. Both are wrong.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    The greatest nation in the world -- with slavery,
    Wow, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Slavery is a violation of the right of individual sovereignty,

    child labor,
    Not allowing a child the right to work is a violation of that child's right to individual sovereignty, however, forcing that child to work is likewise a violation of that child's individual sovereignty. Why is it o.k. for a child to become a movie star or a paper boy but not o.k. for a child to learn a trade?

    no regulation of unsafe foods,
    There would be no need to regulate against unsafe foods, because a) poisoning ones consumers is obviously not good for business and any company who did so would quickly go out of business, and b) tort law could easily be used to put such companies out of business as well.

    no public schools,
    Private schools are superior in every way to public schools and poor children today end up in the worst schools; whereas, the children of wealthy parents already go to private schools. What we are left with is a system in which billions of dollars are being spent and nobody is getting educated.


    no health care for the poor,
    The poor can't afford health care because of statist policies which drive up the cost of health care and health insurance.

    and no rights for women.
    Um no they would have the right of individual sovereignty just like everyone else.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Right, right, because we have seen how this works lately:

    There have been no e coli outbreaks since the lessening of regulations on the meat industry;

    The economy has been doing great since so many regulations were removed from Wall Street;

    There have been no oil spills since the oil companies have been allowed to drill without oversight;

    There have been no mine disasters since regulations have been lessened...

    Why, the free market solves everything!

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    There have been no e coli outbreaks since the lessening of regulations on the meat industry;
    There have been no e. coli outbreaks with the FDA in charge.

    The economy has been doing great since so many regulations were removed from Wall Street;
    We never had been crises with regulations.

    There have been no oil spills since the oil companies have been allowed to drill without oversight;
    There have been no oil spills since we required licenses for drilling.

    There have been no mine disasters since regulations have been lessened...
    There have been no mine disasters since the EPA and regulations were introduced.

    Why, the free market solves everything!
    Why, government regulation solves everything!

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    To paraphrase a quote:

    Anarchy by any other name, still stinks.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    To paraphrase a quote:

    Anarchy by any other name, still stinks.
    So I see that mainstream American Libertarians are for getting rid of government now? Why wasn't I told?
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