View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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  • Yes of course but first we need to become more known.

    28 31.82%
  • Yes but we will never get elected.

    10 11.36%
  • No and I'm damn glad of it.

    42 47.73%
  • No because we will never get well known/enough votes.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
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    any decisions with which you disagree have to have been unConstitutional
    thanks for sharing
    Plessey vs Ferguson and Slaughterhouse

    "Separate but Equal" wasn't unconstitutional?

    United States vs Schenk

    The Alien and Sedition Act which criminalized criticism of the government or America's involvement WWI wasn't unconstitutional?

    Roe vs Wade

    How was this at all in the Supreme Court's jurisdiction?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Separate but equal is constitutional. The only problem was the equal part wasn't being lived out.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Separate but equal is constitutional. The only problem was the equal part wasn't being lived out.
    "Separate but equal" was applied to public services such as schools and public transportation in direct defiance to the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

    Why does this exclude separate but equal?

    Not that I'm arguing that separate but equal is a good thing. It isn't, since it naturally deprives us of liberty. But still, it's allowed in the Constitution.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

    Why does this exclude separate but equal?
    The government had no right to deny equal access to public services.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The government had no right to deny equal access to public services.
    They were equal access, just separate (in theory). Look at Brown v. Board of Education. They didn't strike it down because it was unconstitutional, they struck it down because the equal part never came to fruition. The argument in favor was that "separate educational facilities are inherently unequal." If you could pull off separate but equal then you have no problem according to the constitution, but it was never done.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    As for a case where the Supreme Court was definitely wrong: Euclid v. Ambler.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Ok so do Libertarians actually have policies?

    I thought their policy is "no policies."


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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Ok so do Libertarians actually have policies?

    I thought their policy is "no policies."
    Depends on the issue, at times it is "no policy."
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    I wonder if over time the left-right dichotomy will evolve into statist/ libertarian groups. Do any of you libertarians see the Republican party or the right slowly adopting more libertarian ideals like that of Ron Paul( i guess he is a libertarian), and the left trying to coalesce and turn into a large consolidation of socialists and people who adopt more leftist ideologies?

    That should be where the debate is to be honest. There is a large amount of agreement on a lot of social issues, with economics becoming more and more of the main area of contention, especially now a days in the recession.
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