View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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  • Yes of course but first we need to become more known.

    28 31.82%
  • Yes but we will never get elected.

    10 11.36%
  • No and I'm damn glad of it.

    42 47.73%
  • No because we will never get well known/enough votes.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    y'all seem to forget that the founders also effected a blance of powers to keep the government in check
    do you not recognize that the supreme court gets an opportunity to determine the Constitutionality of laws which might skirt the intent of the Constitution
    Which is why we're supposed to appoint judges that do the job, not just appoint judges that like the laws that we like.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Which is why we're supposed to appoint judges that do the job, not just appoint judges that like the laws that we like.
    which judges would that be and what was the criterion for so classifying them?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    which judges would that be and what was the criterion for so classifying them?
    Do we vote for judges based on the way they uphold the constitution or do we vote for them based on past decisions and whether we like them or not? It's clearly not the former. We only want "conservative" or "liberal" judges, there are no true judges.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do we vote for judges based on the way they uphold the constitution or do we vote for them based on past decisions and whether we like them or not? It's clearly not the former. We only want "conservative" or "liberal" judges, there are no true judges.
    do you not find that the past is prelude, such that the judges' decision history would be a preferred indicator of future decisions?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    do you not find that the past is prelude, such that the judges' decision history would be a preferred indicator of future decisions?
    But they judge based on what they like, instead of what the law says.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But they judge based on what they like, instead of what the law says.
    would that not then be obvious from their history of decisions
    your assertion is without foundation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would that not then be obvious from their history of decisions
    your assertion is without foundation
    Supreme Court nominations are as political as any other selection for political leaders
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Supreme Court nominations are as political as any other selection for political leaders
    but you missed the point
    it was presented that judges are not adhering to the Constitution in their decisions
    my observation is that judges have a history of decisions, which provides an excellent barometer of their inclination to rule in ways that depart from Constitutional provisions
    if that inclination is found to have been present, then the probability of that judge making it to the supreme court is quite low
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but you missed the point
    it was presented that judges are not adhering to the Constitution in their decisions
    my observation is that judges have a history of decisions, which provides an excellent barometer of their inclination to rule in ways that depart from Constitutional provisions
    if that inclination is found to have been present, then the probability of that judge making it to the supreme court is quite low
    Well...

    Plessey vs Ferguson
    Slaughterhouse Cases
    United States vs Schenck
    Roe vs Wade (say what you will about abortion, but I don't see it in the Constitution)

    to name a few. Supreme Court justices make bad decisions all the time, just like other office holders.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Well...

    Plessey vs Ferguson
    Slaughterhouse Cases
    United States vs Schenck
    Roe vs Wade (say what you will about abortion, but I don't see it in the Constitution)

    to name a few. Supreme Court justices make bad decisions all the time, just like other office holders.
    finally
    any decisions with which you disagree have to have been unConstitutional
    thanks for sharing
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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