View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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  • Yes of course but first we need to become more known.

    28 31.82%
  • Yes but we will never get elected.

    10 11.36%
  • No and I'm damn glad of it.

    42 47.73%
  • No because we will never get well known/enough votes.

    8 9.09%
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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    No, the founders had an excellent system of checks and balances. That allowed for the people to steer their government, but not based on their fickle whims. Democracy has its place, but individual rights are more important.

    I don't see Democracy as a threat to individual rights, I see it as supportive of individual rights and the collective good as spelled out in our constitution.

    Note how I said, "pure democracy." Just because most people want doesn't mean that it's the right policy.
    A large government can't represent the interests of millions of people nearly as well as they can represent themselves with a small government to protect them.
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    A government that does less avoids the problem that both of these options can create.
    Who would you have call the shots if not "We the People" as spelled out in the Constitution?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post

    Big government isn't something you can really measure. The PATRIOT Act is more big brother than anything Obama is doing.
    Last time I checked he hasnt gotten rid of that piece of fascist legislation so he is in fact on the same level.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't see Democracy as a threat to individual rights, I see it as supportive of individual rights and the collective good as spelled out in our constitution.

    As we've seen countless times in history, the majority often isn't interested in the rights of the minority. Look at Jim Crow and the recent laws against gays in Uganda.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who would you have call the shots if not "We the People" as spelled out in the Constitution?
    The Founders specifically say that they didn't want too much democracy. They kept it in line with checks and balances.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who would you have call the shots if not "We the People" as spelled out in the Constitution?
    I'm fine with "We the People", but we the people are supposed to follow the Constitution.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    As we've seen countless times in history, the majority often isn't interested in the rights of the minority. Look at Jim Crow and the recent laws against gays in Uganda.
    The way I read it, the majority is what ended Jim Crow and what is likely to end the recent laws against gays in Uganda.

    The Founders specifically say that they didn't want too much democracy. They kept it in line with checks and balances.
    Yep, not perfect, but a pretty good system.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm fine with "We the People", but we the people are supposed to follow the Constitution.
    The Constitution, like the Bible, is subject to interpretation. By the rule of law under the Constitution, the courts make that determination by deciding what is, and what is not, constitutional.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The way I read it, the majority is what ended Jim Crow and what is likely to end the recent laws against gays in Uganda.
    No, the Supreme Court dismantled most of it (elected members of Congress voted for it and LBJ signed legislation), and many in Uganda support their new law The Mob isn't always friendly to the minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, not perfect, but a pretty good system.
    We've moved pretty far away from the Founder's vision.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Constitution, like the Bible, is subject to interpretation. By the rule of law under the Constitution, the courts make that determination by deciding what is, and what is not, constitutional.
    The intent of the constitution is made fairly clear with straightforward language and the writings of the Founders. Go read the Federalist Papers. If we can interpret the Constitution to mean whatever we want, it's meaningless.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If we can interpret the Constitution to mean whatever we want, it's meaningless.
    That's what they want. As I have said previously, contemporary liberalism is totally at odds with the Constitution and the principles our Founders espoused, namely, limited government and economic liberty. Because of this, they (liberals) need to render the document meaningless so they can grow government and implement their marxist redistribution policies.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    y'all seem to forget that the founders also effected a blance of powers to keep the government in check
    do you not recognize that the supreme court gets an opportunity to determine the Constitutionality of laws which might skirt the intent of the Constitution
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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