View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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  • Yes but we will never get elected.

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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I don't care if it's the "tyranny of the few" or the tyranny of the majority". It's that first word in each that's important.
    So, you don't wish to have a government run by the few, and you don't wish to have a government run by the majority?

    What's left, a government run by the one? And you think that would result in less tyranny?

    My opinion is that many in our population are not very bright, mostly interested in short-term gains for themselves personally regardless of harm to others, with little thought for what's better for future generations.

    It seems to me our government has represented us very closely.
    When we evolve as a people, so will those that represent us.

    As I said before, we get the government we deserve.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Suffice it to say the more participatory and vocal we are in democracy, the better democracy becomes. Look at places like France, their government is like the way it is because the administration is scared **** less of the activism and protest.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So, you don't wish to have a government run by the few, and you don't wish to have a government run by the majority?

    What's left, a government run by the one? And you think that would result in less tyranny?
    No, the founders had an excellent system of checks and balances. That allowed for the people to steer their government, but not based on their fickle whims. Democracy has its place, but individual rights are more important. Note how I said, "pure democracy." Just because most people want doesn't mean that it's the right policy. Besides, an authoritarian state often just enriches intself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    My opinion is that many in our population are not very bright, mostly interested in short-term gains for themselves personally regardless of harm to others, with little thought for what's better for future generations.
    And yet their vote counts just as much as a genius's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It seems to me our government has represented us very closely.
    When we evolve as a people, so will those that represent us.

    As I said before, we get the government we deserve.
    A large government can't represent the interests of millions of people nearly as well as they can represent themselves with a small government to protect them.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    I don't entirely understand big government as a concept.

    People abstractly are conservative. No one wants "big government"

    People programatically liberal, whether its pro-war, education, health care

    Big government isn't something you can really measure. The PATRIOT Act is more big brother than anything Obama is doing.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I don't entirely understand big government as a concept.

    People abstractly are conservative. No one wants "big government"

    People programatically liberal, whether its pro-war, education, health care

    Big government isn't something you can really measure. The PATRIOT Act is more big brother than anything Obama is doing.
    Who said that it wasn't? "Big government" is used for the sake of brevity. Both terms are generraly reletive
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So, you don't wish to have a government run by the few, and you don't wish to have a government run by the majority?
    A government that does less avoids the problem that both of these options can create.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Lets let the Parent keep the kid, but subsidize them with money and health care (of course hoping the money actually all goes to helping the kid).
    Or take the hated big-government approach and take the child AWAY from the irresponsible parent...
    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Natural monopolies are very rare. It's extremely difficult to convince buyers to buy only your product for any stretch of time.
    Consider the following: You are a big business. Big. You walk into small town A with fifteen million dollars, open a department store for $10 million, and use the other five million to sell your products below cost. You lose money for a short while, but people buy your goods--so all your local small-business competitors go out of business. Then you're the sole store of the kind in the area, and that's when the brutal fun of a monopoly comes in. Just raise prices to astronomical levels, making your money back, and repeat with small town B. There are many unethical business practices that can create monopolies.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Comic Relief View Post
    Or take the hated big-government approach and take the child AWAY from the irresponsible parent...
    Usually this does far more harm to the child than giving some assistance or counseling. Child Services rarely ever take the kid away from their parents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comic Relief View Post
    Consider the following: You are a big business. Big. You walk into small town A with fifteen million dollars, open a department store for $10 million, and use the other five million to sell your products below cost. You lose money for a short while, but people buy your goods--so all your local small-business competitors go out of business. Then you're the sole store of the kind in the area, and that's when the brutal fun of a monopoly comes in. Just raise prices to astronomical levels, making your money back, and repeat with small town B. There are many unethical business practices that can create monopolies.
    Natural monopolies are very rare. Even with tons of resources. It's very difficult to satisfy the needs and wants of every little niche of consumer demand. What makes it far easier is government regulation. While big business can often get around or absorb the impact of taxes and regulation, small business is left in the dust. Even if their is an exemption for small business, this discourages growth. Hell, many corporations actually help write the regulations themselves. This top-down approach is generally toxic to the atmosphere of innovation and diversity that small entrepreneurs thrive in.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Why aren't you big government types out doing charitable work or something? You constantly bitch about the plights of all these people, yet you sit on your ass all day in an internet forum when you could be out there helping someone. What have you done to alleviate their plights? How much of your own time and money have you dedicated to other people's health care, hunger, and shelter? No, you'd rather just sit on your ass bitching, asking the government to take care of your pet projects. God forbid all the big mouth liberals out there actually DO SOMETHING themselves...

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    They'd rather you shoulder the burden. Liberals know more about legalized theft than charity, and they have no problem proving it to you.

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