View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Probably true now. Independence, self reliance and abhoring parasitic tendencies has been bred out of a majority of Americans thanks to the left
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    Hey everyone. Please be informed on the party's positions before commenting. I am a libertarian myself. But sometimes I do run into problems. Such as, I believe it is a persons right to take their own life. It is none of my business and if they feel that way so be it. For instance according to my stance Dr. Kavorkian should not have been punished for his actions of assisted suicide. But what would happen in a world where he was not punishd but let's say that someone who was mentally unstable came into the Dr's office and the doc just complied with his task and assisted in his death. Than what would happen? Or what if someone was drunk or mentally incapable of understanding a written contract between two adults that suggested that the husband could beat and rape the wife whenever he wanted? If she signed the contract but than it was found out she was not mentally stable? Who would step in and intervene in this type of situation?

    Also if a libertarian could explain to me what the parties position is on going after terrorists who attacked us on 9/11? Would this mean going after the Saudi's since that is where most of them were from? Or would we just sit back and tighten our own borders in hopes of preventing them from attacking us here? I know the Iraq and Afganistan war is not supported at least according to our libertarian homepage. I also know that certain libertarians are split on the war in Afgahnistan not Iraq.

    I also know that we only had .5 percent of the Nations vote. Is it even remotely possible we will ever win? Or see our policies take effect? Even in the likes of someone like Ron Paul running as a repub? Anyone know how many votes he garnered? Sometimes it is very depressing to be the minority. Makes me feel hopeless.
    Nobody agrees on a definition of "libertarian". Some people will tell you it's anarcho-communism and others will tell you it's anarcho-capitalism.

    I just think we should permit more individual liberty, choice, and responsibility. I think we should adhere to the Constitution and interpret it (when necessary) through the lens of the American Revolution. I think we should promote free market economics as espoused by Adam Smith, the Founders, Hayek, and Friedman.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Nobody agrees on a definition of "libertarian". Some people will tell you it's anarcho-communism and others will tell you it's anarcho-capitalism.

    I just think we should permit more individual liberty, choice, and responsibility. I think we should adhere to the Constitution and interpret it (when necessary) through the lens of the American Revolution. I think we should promote free market economics as espoused by Adam Smith, the Founders, Hayek, and Friedman.
    Thats pretty far right :P

    Friedman is basically an anarcho-capitalist
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    I am always impressed on how intelligent and well informed and idealistic Libertarians are. In my opinion Libertarianism is inhuman; there is no compassion for the human experience within the political philosophy. That's it in a nutshell.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    No.

    Most people don't understand the philosophy and we also have a bunch of muppets running around defending corporatism.

    In this day and age it only appeals to those who want to live their life, without being a busy body.
    Things are not looking good.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Do you have anything to contribute? I'd love to discuss Libertarianism with you.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Do you have anything to contribute? I'd love to discuss Libertarianism with you.
    He was responding to an insulting post.

    You know me, I love to discuss Libertarianism. Why do you think it would work? What do you think are the problems with it?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    Hey everyone. Please be informed on the party's positions before commenting. I am a libertarian myself. But sometimes I do run into problems. Such as, I believe it is a persons right to take their own life. It is none of my business and if they feel that way so be it. For instance according to my stance Dr. Kavorkian should not have been punished for his actions of assisted suicide. But what would happen in a world where he was not punishd but let's say that someone who was mentally unstable came into the Dr's office and the doc just complied with his task and assisted in his death. Than what would happen? Or what if someone was drunk or mentally incapable of understanding a written contract between two adults that suggested that the husband could beat and rape the wife whenever he wanted? If she signed the contract but than it was found out she was not mentally stable? Who would step in and intervene in this type of situation?

    Also if a libertarian could explain to me what the parties position is on going after terrorists who attacked us on 9/11? Would this mean going after the Saudi's since that is where most of them were from? Or would we just sit back and tighten our own borders in hopes of preventing them from attacking us here? I know the Iraq and Afganistan war is not supported at least according to our libertarian homepage. I also know that certain libertarians are split on the war in Afgahnistan not Iraq.

    I also know that we only had .5 percent of the Nations vote. Is it even remotely possible we will ever win? Or see our policies take effect? Even in the likes of someone like Ron Paul running as a repub? Anyone know how many votes he garnered? Sometimes it is very depressing to be the minority. Makes me feel hopeless.
    Well, it depends on how libertarian you want to be. There are two major entities that people choose between to trust: either government or corporations. People who distrust the government want corporations to do everything, while people who distrust corporations want the government to do everything.

    And there's good reason for this. The sole purpose of a business is to provide a service with the greatest profit. That can be unhealthy and lead to a lot of bad business practices. Who can the people go to for that? Other businesses may not work. So they use the power of law.

    I don't think libertarianism will work in this country, not in it's purest form. People want to be able to be their own boss in this country. But libertarianism won't help that. Instead, unethical business practices without the power of government to regulate them will always benefit large corporate entities rather than small businesses. If any small business rises up to compete, corporations can do such things as operate at a loss until they put their competition out of business. This is why we need the government to regulate and put limit on big business, so small businesses have a chance.

    I will say one thing, though - of all the conservative philosophies out there, if I had to choose one to live with, Libertarianism would be it.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Do you have anything to contribute? I'd love to discuss Libertarianism with you.
    Go ahead, explain to me why libertarianism is the sh1t
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, it depends on how libertarian you want to be. There are two major entities that people choose between to trust: either government or corporations. People who distrust the government want corporations to do everything, while people who distrust corporations want the government to do everything.

    And there's good reason for this. The sole purpose of a business is to provide a service with the greatest profit. That can be unhealthy and lead to a lot of bad business practices. Who can the people go to for that? Other businesses may not work. So they use the power of law.

    I don't think libertarianism will work in this country, not in it's purest form. People want to be able to be their own boss in this country. But libertarianism won't help that. Instead, unethical business practices without the power of government to regulate them will always benefit large corporate entities rather than small businesses. If any small business rises up to compete, corporations can do such things as operate at a loss until they put their competition out of business. This is why we need the government to regulate and put limit on big business, so small businesses have a chance.

    I will say one thing, though - of all the conservative philosophies out there, if I had to choose one to live with, Libertarianism would be it.
    It's a lot more complicated than that.

    Libertarians end up defending some corporations because of the nature of the argument and not because we love corporations.

    Just remember that libertarianism ≠ corporatism.
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