View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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  • Yes but we will never get elected.

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  • No and I'm damn glad of it.

    42 47.73%
  • No because we will never get well known/enough votes.

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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Of course libertarian policies work.

    Freedom is what built this country.

    Duh.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    Libertarianism will never become popular. And how should we expect an ideology that patently leads to bad results for everyone but a small elite to win wide popular support?
    Only a socialist would believe that individual freedom is a bad result.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    I think the Libertarian Party is just a distraction.

    It would be my preference that they unite behind Ron Paul, and mobilize to take back the GOP, which was founded on many of the ideas that libertarians hold dear.

    Anything other than that is going to be a hard and long fight.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by givejonadollar View Post
    I think the Libertarian Party is just a distraction.

    It would be my preference that they unite behind Ron Paul, and mobilize to take back the GOP, which was founded on many of the ideas that libertarians hold dear.

    Anything other than that is going to be a hard and long fight.
    No, the GOP wasn't. The Democrats were actually founded in libertarian principles. The GOP was mostly the party of big business (protectionism, etc.) until FDR. Once we had FDR, then the Old Right developed which was like modern libertarianism. Then the New Right hijacked the GOP (with the presidency of Ike) which is the party we know today (neoconservative). The DNC is basically the party of FDR. The transformation of the DNC began really took off during Wilson, but it was started long before then. We could see the transformation start with the emergence of the Bourbon Democrats (which were the equivalent of modern day libertarians) in the late 1800s. So let's say before the populist movement of the late 1800s, the Democrats were the libertarians and the Republicans were the interventionists. Now, both are interventionists, but Republicans less so. In terms of foreign policy THEY ARE THE SAME.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Only a socialist would believe that individual freedom is a bad result.
    And only a libertarian would think that increasing the power, wealth and privilege of the economic elite promotes individual freedom for the general public.
    Last edited by Regicollis; 04-23-10 at 10:16 PM.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How can you call any of those libertarian?

    You're comparing state capitalism with libertarianism.
    They are not the same thing.
    How I can call Pinochet and Thatcher libertarians?

    The main interest of libertarian policies are the economy. Although you once in a while hear a libertarian come out in favour of relaxing drug laws or legalizing gay marriage the thing that libertarians are concerned about is economic policy. There is nothing wrong with that by the way - after all economic policy is extremely important.

    I call Pinochet and Thatcher libertarians because of their economic policies who were very libertarian. Just as you might call someone "green" if he is strongly in favour of preventing climate change and protecting the environment, although he doesn't agree with all tenets of the Green Party.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    How I can call Pinochet and Thatcher libertarians?

    The main interest of libertarian policies are the economy. Although you once in a while hear a libertarian come out in favour of relaxing drug laws or legalizing gay marriage the thing that libertarians are concerned about is economic policy. There is nothing wrong with that by the way - after all economic policy is extremely important.

    I call Pinochet and Thatcher libertarians because of their economic policies who were very libertarian. Just as you might call someone "green" if he is strongly in favour of preventing climate change and protecting the environment, although he doesn't agree with all tenets of the Green Party.
    Libertarian economic policy is freedom to achieve, that is a far cry away from crony capitalism/corporatism.

    I think you need to learn more about libertarians.

    You don't understand that economic policy is tied to every single thing on the planet.
    You can't be free with a restricted economy.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    The notion that there should be miniscule government intervention in a free market economy makes me wonder what libertarians think about unethical activity like corporatism, living wage, working conditions, et al
    I'm personally not interested in legislating ethics or morality. Both are completely relative.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by givejonadollar View Post
    I think the Libertarian Party is just a distraction.

    It would be my preference that they unite behind Ron Paul, and mobilize to take back the GOP, which was founded on many of the ideas that libertarians hold dear.

    Anything other than that is going to be a hard and long fight.
    I know I will and I know 90% of the Libertarians would too! At least 90%!

    I dont think the people that voted NO... know what we stand for!

    All conservatives should recognize us as superior to Republicans.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Of course libertarian policies work.

    Freedom is what built this country.

    Duh.
    Freedom doesn't build anything. Now or ever. Freedom provides a secure space where people can build their own dreams.

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