View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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  • Yes but we will never get elected.

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  • No and I'm damn glad of it.

    42 47.73%
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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    To attempt to perfect it through imperfect means(government), will not lead to perfection.
    Then what will? I can see no other vehicle for improving the lot of society.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Comic Relief View Post
    Then what will? I can see no other vehicle for improving the lot of society.
    Long term rational self interest.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Long term rational self interest.
    People are not rational.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    People are not rational.
    That is true but in the sense we are speaking of, being irrational has consequences.

    Living examples can be great a motivator.
    People need to feel more of the cause and effect of their choices.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is true but in the sense we are speaking of, being irrational has consequences.

    Living examples can be great a motivator.
    People need to feel more of the cause and effect of their choices.
    I agree with that in principal, however, the failure or bad choice of another person can harm me indirectly, even if I had nothing to do with it.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 04-17-10 at 06:27 AM.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I agree with that in principal, however, the failure or bad choice of another person can harm me indirectly, even if I had nothing to do with it.
    Of course but that happens whether it is the fault of a government program or individual transactions.
    I guess I favor the more natural approach.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course but that happens whether it is the fault of a government program or individual transactions.
    I guess I favor the more natural approach.
    True. But (and this is just my perception) I feel I have a better chance of getting justice if there is a control mechanism. This comes down to preference, I tend to put more faith into rules than into people, because people are usually unreliable.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    True. But (and this is just my perception) I feel I have a better chance of getting justice if there is a control mechanism. This comes down to preference, I tend to put more faith into rules than into people, because people are usually unreliable.
    I agree with that, I have no problem with a firm set of general rules.
    We are speaking in no specifics though so it's hard to pin down which rules we would disagree on.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree with that, I have no problem with a firm set of general rules.
    We are speaking in no specifics though so it's hard to pin down which rules we would disagree on.
    Of course. We are 10,000 feet up. However, it has been my experience that a good system in which people participate does more to mitigate the negative sides of human nature than most other societal controls, such as law enforcement. On the flip side, people usually express a desire to be "a part of something" which means they tend to enjoy it as well.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 04-17-10 at 06:41 AM.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Of course. We are 10,000 feet up. However, it has been my experience that a good system in which people participate does more to mitigate the negative sides of human nature than most other societal controls. On the flip side, people usually express a desire to be "a part of something" which means they enjoy it as well.
    I think that the mitigating factors need to be felt more by the individuals who make irrational decisions.
    When it is less of a deciding factor, the moral hazard comes into play more and more.
    We have to figure out how to keep the moral hazard at bay.
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