View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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    28 31.82%
  • Yes but we will never get elected.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why weren't the people who covered up the information prosecuted?
    The FDA serves as a protection arm for pharmaceutical companies.
    Laws have been specifically crafted to allow corporations to avoid prosecution and instead they pay a fine or are sued in civil court.

    What would of happened if an individual not in a corporation did those things?
    They would be in jail right now.

    When many libertarians talk about less regulation, we are talking about ending special rules for these companies.

    Corporations love regulations.
    Megaprogman covered it, but I too would like to see corporations stripped of those protections. It should be a criminal matter if someone hides information that results in the death of Americans. Under your premise, the FDA is not a totalitarian entity? I hope under Obama the FDA gets some teeth back into their enforcement.

    So I will ask you the same question, what regulation are you in favor of?

    Environmental?
    Banking/Financial?
    Food?
    Consumer Protection?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    Also if a libertarian could explain to me what the parties position is on going after terrorists who attacked us on 9/11? Would this mean going after the Saudi's since that is where most of them were from? Or would we just sit back and tighten our own borders in hopes of preventing them from attacking us here? I know the Iraq and Afganistan war is not supported at least according to our libertarian homepage. I also know that certain libertarians are split on the war in Afgahnistan not Iraq.
    ..............

    I also know that we only had .5 percent of the Nations vote. Is it even remotely possible we will ever win? Or see our policies take effect? Even in the likes of someone like Ron Paul running as a repub? Anyone know how many votes he garnered? Sometimes it is very depressing to be the minority. Makes me feel hopeless.
    They could work, but only after the nation undergoes a crisis of proportions that would prevent the government from continuing bailouts for everyone from the poor end of the spectrum to the large corporations. As long as government is giving money in exchange for votes and power, we cannot win as Libertarians. Iow, everyone needs to grow up and live in reality. That won't happen anytime soon imo.

    My stance on war (any war) is a defensive position. Defend the borders and pick up arms only if we are attacked here (by a legitimate fighting force- not a vague group of "terrorists". Stay out of the political and economic affairs of foreign nations. Be their friend, do business, but do not meddle.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't find libertarianism to be that extreme. There are still plenty of regulations...just not nearly as many as now. Let me put this on a scale of 1 to 10. If 1 meant martial law akin to the "wild, wild west" and 10 to be a living embodiment of 1984, I'd want about a 3. Enough to keep the status quo, make sure people's basic needs are taken care of and that laws are met and adhered to, but far from a state that needs to be in your life with unnecessary concerns. And as a self-avowed social Darwinist, if that means the weakest link can't keep up, so be it. A stable, prosperous society is well worth the price of a few pukes who can't make it or, most likely, don't want to try to the point of making it.
    Excellent post! Thanks!
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Megaprogman covered it, but I too would like to see corporations stripped of those protections. It should be a criminal matter if someone hides information that results in the death of Americans. Under your premise, the FDA is not a totalitarian entity? I hope under Obama the FDA gets some teeth back into their enforcement.

    So I will ask you the same question, what regulation are you in favor of?
    I think your first misunderstanding is that any president or politician wants to practice restrictive regulation.
    Don't be fooled by rhetoric, when any politician wants more "regulation" it usually means that the industry getting regulated, gets to help write the bills.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Environmental?
    Property crime laws already exist.
    Why don't they apply those to polluters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Banking/Financial?
    Anti fraud laws exist already as well as restrictions on leverage.
    Why don't they enforce those?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Food?
    Why doesn't the government prosecute companies that willfully commit negligent manslaughter and similar crimes?

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    Consumer Protection?
    All of the above already exist but no one in power wants to enforce the law against corporations.
    In most cases, I'm more strict on people(corporations) than any extra regulations.

    Something isn't right.
    It's the double standard against regular people and in favor of corporations.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    … you can't really start a business in Haiti …
    Your claim that Haiti is poor because “you can't really start a business” is to badly misunderstand Haiti and its problems; indeed Haiti is brimming with entrepreneurs. Check out the video at the link below:

    Excerpted from “Haitian Entrepreneurs Build Micro-Economies in Tent City,” Transcript, Correspondent ADAM DAVIDSON, NPR's "Planet Money," NPR's "Newshour," AIR DATE: March 29, 2010
    Within days of the earthquake, these quickly whipped-together tent cities became much more like real cities, churches, community centers, and business, lots and lots of business.

    I'm an economics reporter. And, reporting in Port-au-Prince after the earthquake, I wanted to understand how rich and complex the business life of these tent cities had become. …
    Suffice it to say, the business life was thriving once again despite the lack of banking and electricity.

    I rather think Haiti is Libertarianism taken to the nth degree and the outcome is dangerous and, of late, quite deadly.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    When are you going to present an intelligent response to someone posts, instead of making a joke out of the thread?
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When are you going to present an intelligent response to someone posts, instead of making a joke out of the thread?
    I see what you did there....
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Your claim that Haiti is poor because “you can't really start a business” is to badly misunderstand Haiti and its problems; indeed Haiti is brimming with entrepreneurs. Check out the video at the link below:



    Suffice it to say, the business life was thriving once again despite the lack of banking and electricity.

    I rather think Haiti is Libertarianism taken to the nth degree and the outcome is dangerous and, of late, quite deadly.
    Of course people will always find ways to get by in these conditions. There was a thriving black market in the USSR. That doesn't make Haiti remotely capitalist.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think your first misunderstanding is that any president or politician wants to practice restrictive regulation.
    Don't be fooled by rhetoric, when any politician wants more "regulation" it usually means that the industry getting regulated, gets to help write the bills.



    Property crime laws already exist.
    Why don't they apply those to polluters?



    Anti fraud laws exist already as well as restrictions on leverage.
    Why don't they enforce those?



    Why doesn't the government prosecute companies that willfully commit negligent manslaughter and similar crimes?



    All of the above already exist but no one in power wants to enforce the law against corporations.
    In most cases, I'm more strict on people(corporations) than any extra regulations.

    Something isn't right.
    It's the double standard against regular people and in favor of corporations.
    With the exception of "In most cases, I'm more strict on people(corporations) than any extra regulations." none of that answers my question to you. So I will ask it again:

    So I will ask you the same question, what regulation are you in favor of?

    Environmental?
    Banking/Financial?
    Food?
    Consumer Protection

    That it exists already does not mean you favor it.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We can’t get lost in discrimination. We can’t get lost in B.S. We can’t get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Environmental?
    EPA at a reduced level, and pollution credits traded on an open market.

    Banking/Financial?
    FDIC, and elimination of 95% of corporate welfare going on at this point in time.

    Food?
    USDA (remove FDA) and expand them slightly to account for a larger variety of products.

    Consumer Protection
    None. Private consumer watchdog groups (maybe a VERY limited BBB).

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