View Poll Results: Should/Can libertarianism work?

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Thread: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Let's ignore the fact that most Libertarians aren't against all government regulation such as building codes. Again Libertarian doesn't mean Anarcho-Capitalist.

    Why does Haiti have no building codes to begin with? Obviously it is a very poor state where people can't really afford up to code buildings. Why is it poor? Because of a corrupt government, you can't really start a business in Haiti or many developing countries without friends in the government. It is a bloated government, not a failure of capitalism that caused Haiti's poverty.
    Stop, you're destroying their simplistic understanding of a political philosophy.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    People who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.
    Meh, useless quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    When we can create a society that allows for zero or near-zero instances like you two mentioned and not be an oppressive, totalitarian police-state, I'll jump on board.
    Ahh now you are going to extremes and showing how absurd it is. And I agree, the extreme is absurd. But, as I typed in an earlier post, I think there is too much regulation at times. So this means you are misrepresenting my stance. (Look here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058680361 )

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    However, I'm not going to live like an automaton as a trade-off for absolute certainty that the big, bad, evil corporation is going to slip arsenic in my Manwich.
    More going to extremes in an attempt to show absurdity.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    It just comes down to a difference in mentality. The far left are a bunch of spineless bed-wetters who are afraid to sink and swim on their own, so they need a nanny government to come in and hold their hands. Libertarians just want to be left alone by big government and social parasites. Of course, the welfare statists will kick and scream before they stop sticking their hands in the wallets of independent-minded, self-reliant Americans.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    It just comes down to a difference in mentality.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    The far left are a bunch of spineless bed-wetters who are afraid to sink and swim on their own, so they need a nanny government to come in and hold their hands. Libertarians just want to be left alone by big government and social parasites. Of course, the welfare statists will kick and scream before they stop sticking their hands in the wallets of independent-minded, self-reliant Americans.
    Appeal to emotion.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    True.



    Appeal to emotion.
    It's an appeal to reality. The far-left are afraid of their own shadows. They think the world will come crashing down if we start reducing the size of the Federal government.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    It's an appeal to reality. The far-left are afraid of their own shadows. They think the world will come crashing down if we start reducing the size of the Federal government.
    Strawman.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    I don't find libertarianism to be that extreme. There are still plenty of regulations...just not nearly as many as now. Let me put this on a scale of 1 to 10. If 1 meant martial law akin to the "wild, wild west" and 10 to be a living embodiment of 1984, I'd want about a 3. Enough to keep the status quo, make sure people's basic needs are taken care of and that laws are met and adhered to, but far from a state that needs to be in your life with unnecessary concerns. And as a self-avowed social Darwinist, if that means the weakest link can't keep up, so be it. A stable, prosperous society is well worth the price of a few pukes who can't make it or, most likely, don't want to try to the point of making it.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Strawman.
    Strawman? I wasn't even arguing with anyone, just giving my opinion.

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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't find libertarianism to be that extreme. There are still plenty of regulations...just not nearly as many as now. Let me put this on a scale of 1 to 10. If 1 meant martial law akin to the "wild, wild west" and 10 to be a living embodiment of 1984, I'd want about a 3. Enough to keep the status quo, make sure people's basic needs are taken care of and that laws are met and adhered to, but far from a state that needs to be in your life with unnecessary concerns. And as a self-avowed social Darwinist, if that means the weakest link can't keep up, so be it. A stable, prosperous society is well worth the price of a few pukes who can't make it or, most likely, don't want to try to the point of making it.
    A scale like that would make you *gasp* left wing.
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    Re: Can the Libertarian party or policies ever work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't find libertarianism to be that extreme.
    That's not the extreme I was pointing out. I was pointing out the extreme in the idea that nonlibertarians want to regulate everything. Which is not the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    There are still plenty of regulations...just not nearly as many as now. Let me put this on a scale of 1 to 10. If 1 meant martial law akin to the "wild, wild west" and 10 to be a living embodiment of 1984, I'd want about a 3. Enough to keep the status quo, make sure people's basic needs are taken care of and that laws are met and adhered to, but far from a state that needs to be in your life with unnecessary concerns.
    I agree. I think there should be enough regulation to protect from obviously harmful things and common dangers. The stuff that happens once in a blue moon should probably be handled in another manner, unless it is something catastrophic. I am pretty sure most people feel this way. However different people have different perspectives, so the threshold for appropriate regulation is different for each individual. I am not sure how I would rate it on a scale because it depends on circumstances for each individual case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    And as a self-avowed social Darwinist, if that means the weakest link can't keep up, so be it. A stable, prosperous society is well worth the price of a few pukes who can't make it or, most likely, don't want to try to the point of making it.
    At one point you say you want people's basic needs taken care of and now you say you are a Social Darwinist. Which one are you?

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