View Poll Results: Is the republican party motivated by racism?

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm not sure about that.
    I am certain allot of things are indeed a fact you are not sure of.

    Not that I am immune to this as well. Did not want you to take that as a vialed insult, it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no one i know who calls themselves liberal is racist.
    It's not like they are going to tell you.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and i would bet current klan members do NOT identify themselves as liberals.
    Who said anything about current. I said x. Nice try though.
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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Thanks again for this.

    I believe the South deserved higher taxes on their imported and exported goods. Theoretically one can make a much larger profit by enslaving the work force and simply having to clothe, feed and provide shelter for said slaves; rather than paying the work force fair wages like every other person. They had an unfair and inhumane advantage over the non-slave states. I'm sure the North thought this as well.

    If it were up to me I would have banned all trading with a slave nation / state simply because of their blockage of civil rights, even if it did bankrupt them. IMHO they deserved to go bankrupt. And I feel this way about any slave owner... not just the Southern ones.
    You're judging people and events of a period 150 years in the past by modern standards.

    There are some things you need to consider. Among them, is that opposition to slavery on moral grounds was far from universal in the North. Nor would you find very many Northerners in 1864 who were willing to embrace the "Negro" as a full legal or social equal.

    Applying modern values to historical scenarios is an inappropriate anachronism.

    The fact is that slavery was on the way out, regardless. Advances in technolgy and powered farm equipment were cutting into the economic viability of slave labor already...given another 20-40 years, slavery would have withered away in the South and been abolished anyway. The more intelligent and far-thinking Southern slave owners were aware of this, but they were also aware that while they could economically survive a gradual withering of slave labor, that a sudden overturning of the existing order would have destroyed the South's economy, leading to devastatingly bad times for everyone (both blacks and whites).

    At any rate, the issue was economics and Fed vs State. The question was whether the North, who dominated the Fedgov, had the right to impose ruinous tariffs and trade limitations on the South against their will... sanctions that would bankrupt the region. Not suprisingly, most people were not too keen on the idea.

    Bear in mind that your average Southerner at that time was not a planation-owner or a slave-holder. The average Southerner in 1860's was a farmer, relatively poor, and probably unable to afford slaves regardless. For four years, Southerners fought determinedly, against overwhelming odds, with great courage, and suffered enormous losses. They didn't do so for the sake of slaves that most of them didn't own and couldn't afford anyway; they did so because they were fighting for their home states against what they saw as a heavy-handed Federal government acting to destroy the region's economy.

    Nor were these tariffs altruistic acts intended to punish the wicked slaveowning south; they were selfishly motivated tariffs intended to enrich wealthy Northern industrialists and shipping magnates at the expense of a relatively impoverished rural region.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Everyone is a racist........
    Bull****. Some are bigoted as we all have our own bigotry's. Not everyone believes they are superior or better than anyone based on race. Anyone who would think that is a fool.
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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Bull****. Some are bigoted as we all have our own bigotry's. Not everyone believes they are superior or better than anyone based on race. Anyone who would think that is a fool.
    Sorry, I can't have this discussion.......

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Sorry, I can't have this discussion.......
    Why not??? Just word it so it does not come out like hate speech. Speak factual and be ready to back up your comments with evidence.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Robert Byrd was in the KKK, used the word "nigger" on national TV and is still in the Senate.

    Now what?
    I think Strom was a Democrat before he switched to Republican.
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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am certain allot of things are indeed a fact you are not sure of.

    Not that I am immune to this as well. Did not want you to take that as a vialed insult, it's not.



    It's not like they are going to tell you.



    Who said anything about current. I said x. Nice try though.
    60 years ago, most people were racist, and i'm not insulted. my grandparents were racist, it was kinda ingrained back then. my husband parent were somewhat racist. there are degrees of that particular affliction, you know.

    both my husband's family and mine are integrated, if you will, so i'm not completely naive about it.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    I don't have the feeling that minorities are inferior and need my help - the way the democrats do.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I don't have the feeling that minorities are inferior and need my help - the way the democrats do.
    Its funny how Ive never seen a solid answer from a bleeding heart liberal on this issue.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Its funny how Ive never seen a solid answer from a bleeding heart liberal on this issue.
    That's because it's only racist to recognize that minorities have the same skills and abilities that everyone else does.

    That's because they don't think they're racist/sexist. They think it's "nice" and "caring" of them to be so condescending to minorities like women and blacks. They're just trying to speak up for us poor little, incapable innocents and give us the help we so desperately require.

    I really believe that THEY believe they're doing the right thing. It's difficult to make them realize how racist/sexist, condescending, and insulting their ideas are, though.

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