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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Thanks for this. I have to tell you though that it's common belief in my area that the South is more racist than the rest of the country. Like I said, much of that belief is based off of history, but clearly we have a lot to learn about our neighbors.

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    The one thing I'd appreciate a little more insight on is the confederate flag. I mean the reason they secede in the first place is because they wanted to keep their slaves. In my mind the flag was a symbol of the fight to continue slavery in the south. And many people I know feel the same way. Why not pick another flag to represent Southern pride that doesn't have a dark past?
    First of all, the Civil War was not only about slavery; I've heard even left-leaning scholars argue that slavery was actually not the primary issue. In college I had an opportunity to study the history of the civil war in an advanced class normally open only to senior-year history majors, and the prof was known for being one of the most in-depth professors on campus. It was facinating, and eye opening.

    The foremost issues causing the Civil War were economic, and revolved around foreign trade, and tariffs imposed by the Federal government (chiefly in response to New England intrest groups that wanted to curtail the South being able to trade directly with other nations, cutting into their shipping and manufacturing profits.) It became a central-authority vs States-rights political battle, that turned into civil war because the Northern-dominated legislature wasn't listening when the South told them "your tariffs are going to bankrupt us."
    Slavery was actually a secondary issue to most people at the time. It was used as a "causus belli" or propaganda element... part of this was because of the actions and lobbying of various emancipation groups, but also party because it made excellent propaganda to characterize the war as a war of good vs evil.

    It is axiomatic that the victors write the history books, and so after the war the "free the slaves" aspect was emphasized and the economic and Fed-vs-State issues were marginalized. Most people don't have a clue about the real causes anymore.

    But... lots of Southerners are well educated on this subject and know that the war was far from being all about slavery.

    Many of us see the Stars-and-Bars as a symbol of state sovereignty and rights, a symbol of resistance to tyranny, rather than anything to do with slavery per se.

    I myself do not fly the Confederate flag, out of consideration to certain of my fellow Americans who are unaware of the factors explained above, but I support the right of any Southerner to do so, and I try to educate those who are unaware of its meaning to Southerners.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    I also voted impulsively, I agree its only on the fringe.


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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Thanks.




    First of all, the Civil War was not only about slavery; I've heard even left-leaning scholars argue that slavery was actually not the primary issue. In college I had an opportunity to study the history of the civil war in an advanced class normally open only to senior-year history majors, and the prof was known for being one of the most in-depth professors on campus. It was facinating, and eye opening.

    The foremost issues causing the Civil War were economic, and revolved around foreign trade, and tariffs imposed by the Federal government (chiefly in response to New England intrest groups that wanted to curtail the South being able to trade directly with other nations, cutting into their shipping and manufacturing profits.) It became a central-authority vs States-rights political battle, that turned into civil war because the Northern-dominated legislature wasn't listening when the South told them "your tariffs are going to bankrupt us."
    Slavery was actually a secondary issue to most people at the time. It was used as a "causus belli" or propaganda element... part of this was because of the actions and lobbying of various emancipation groups, but also party because it made excellent propaganda to characterize the war as a war of good vs evil.

    It is axiomatic that the victors write the history books, and so after the war the "free the slaves" aspect was emphasized and the economic and Fed-vs-State issues were marginalized. Most people don't have a clue about the real causes anymore.

    But... lots of Southerners are well educated on this subject and know that the war was far from being all about slavery.

    Many of us see the Stars-and-Bars as a symbol of state sovereignty and rights, a symbol of resistance to tyranny, rather than anything to do with slavery per se.

    I myself do not fly the Confederate flag, out of consideration to certain of my fellow Americans who are unaware of the factors explained above, but I support the right of any Southerner to do so, and I try to educate those who are unaware of its meaning to Southerners.
    Indeed.

    Plus, It aint called the Rebel flag for no reason.

    Not to mention, this:


    The Hazard boys were rebels, they broke the rules, broke the laws, but were all around good guys. Many people of THAT era easily associate the flag with that kind of mentality. The REBEL flag. Resistance to tyranny.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Thanks.




    First of all, the Civil War was not only about slavery; I've heard even left-leaning scholars argue that slavery was actually not the primary issue. In college I had an opportunity to study the history of the civil war in an advanced class normally open only to senior-year history majors, and the prof was known for being one of the most in-depth professors on campus. It was facinating, and eye opening.

    The foremost issues causing the Civil War were economic, and revolved around foreign trade, and tariffs imposed by the Federal government (chiefly in response to New England intrest groups that wanted to curtail the South being able to trade directly with other nations, cutting into their shipping and manufacturing profits.) It became a central-authority vs States-rights political battle, that turned into civil war because the Northern-dominated legislature wasn't listening when the South told them "your tariffs are going to bankrupt us."
    Slavery was actually a secondary issue to most people at the time. It was used as a "causus belli" or propaganda element... part of this was because of the actions and lobbying of various emancipation groups, but also party because it made excellent propaganda to characterize the war as a war of good vs evil.

    It is axiomatic that the victors write the history books, and so after the war the "free the slaves" aspect was emphasized and the economic and Fed-vs-State issues were marginalized. Most people don't have a clue about the real causes anymore.

    But... lots of Southerners are well educated on this subject and know that the war was far from being all about slavery.

    Many of us see the Stars-and-Bars as a symbol of state sovereignty and rights, a symbol of resistance to tyranny, rather than anything to do with slavery per se.

    I myself do not fly the Confederate flag, out of consideration to certain of my fellow Americans who are unaware of the factors explained above, but I support the right of any Southerner to do so, and I try to educate those who are unaware of its meaning to Southerners.
    Thanks again for this.

    I believe the South deserved higher taxes on their imported and exported goods. Theoretically one can make a much larger profit by enslaving the work force and simply having to clothe, feed and provide shelter for said slaves; rather than paying the work force fair wages like every other person. They had an unfair and inhumane advantage over the non-slave states. I'm sure the North thought this as well.

    If it were up to me I would have banned all trading with a slave nation / state simply because of their blockage of civil rights, even if it did bankrupt them. IMHO they deserved to go bankrupt. And I feel this way about any slave owner... not just the Southern ones.
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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    I answered, "yes, all of them" because this absolute is obviously true.

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Very well. Item 1: the modern South is no more racist, on the whole, than any other part of the country. One thing you may not realize is that most black folks still live here in the South... we live, work and etc side-by-side these days. My home state is 1/3 Afr-Am by population. Interracial couples are common and harassment over that has largely ceased.
    My mother is 80. She grew up during "seperate but equal". Last year my white son had a black girlfriend. My mom had no problem with it.
    There are lots of minority owned businesses. I've had several bosses who were black. People down here, for the most part, don't care what color your skin is anymore; they're more intrested in your character and abilities.

    Item 2: the Confederate battle flag is viewed, by the vast majority of white Southerners, as a symbol of regional pride, and of the South generally; not as a symbol of slavery, racism, or anything of that sort. Just as we choose to emphasize the postive aspects of our heritage (courtesy, hospitality, family, faith, decency, patriotism, self-reliance), many of us see the Stars-and-Bars as a symbol of the positive aspects of our heritage.
    Many Southern blacks understand this. I've known a couple of them that fly it their self, and one older black man with a confederate flag on his truck.

    Item 3: We're really, really tired of being the racial whipping-boy of the US. Perhaps the rest of you need to look at your own racism instead of projecting it onto us. We're getting along quite well, thanks.
    BIG Thanks to Goshin for getting the point across like this.

    Alot of the hubbub over the use of the confederate flag in the south isn't coming from "southerners" but from people who live in urban areas in the south (Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, Tampa, etc) who came there for work after apparently the cost of living in the north or the lack of jobs in the north or the general ****ty living conditions drove them south to find jobs and financial security.

    Being someone who has lived in both rural North Carolina and "urban" North Carolina I can tell you there is a HUGE difference in the attitudes of people.
    Namely, the list that Goshin used... courtesy, hospitality, family, faith, decency, patriotism, self-reliance is intermittent in Charlotte where it was standard in the more rural and small town small city areas of the state that Ive lived in.
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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    Someone very close to me thinks that the republican party is racist. I was watching CNN (I believe) and came across Newt Gingrich saying Obama is the most radical president ever. Then, someone said that the most radical thing about Obama was his race.

    So, is the republican party racist?

    I'm not taking any sides, just provoking debate. I will be voting, however :P
    i vote for "a good deal"......just by the demographic makeup of the party and the typical republican strongholds. possible i'm incorrect, but what's "a good deal"......25%? older white people still have many racist tendencies.

    certainly not all.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i vote for "a good deal"......just by the demographic makeup of the party and the typical republican strongholds. possible i'm incorrect, but what's "a good deal"......25%? older white people still have many racist tendencies.

    certainly not all.
    And I can show you just as many racist libs. Of course it is more back room with them.

    In fact, which party has more X clan members?

    I am not even going to get into the amount of racist blacks and Jews I have known in my life. The number is staggering.

    And...

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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And I can show you just as many racist libs. Of course it is more back room with them.

    In fact, which party has more X clan members?

    I am not even going to get into the amount of racist blacks and Jews I have known in my life. The number is staggering.
    i'm not sure about that. no one i know who calls themselves liberal is racist. and i would bet current klan members do NOT identify themselves as liberals.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Racism amoung the republican party?

    Everyone is a racist........

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