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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    The least that could be done against the pundits is to list their sponsers and then boycott them....
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    "Do political pundits cause violence?" Of course they do. And I believe some intend to for the political gain. I believe someone like Bill O'railly should be held responsible when he continusely calls a doctor a murderer and "baby killer" for months and finally some idiot shoots him, or when Rush Limbaugh calls democrats "bastards that must be defeated at all cost", and people start spitting on and threating them. Or when Glenn Beck suddenly decides the IRS that hasn't changed a bit suddenly becomes evil because we have a democrat president and is now stealing your money, and some fool flies a plane into a building because of it trying to kill IRS employees. This is wrong, It's evil, and I don't understand why decent "moral" Christian republicans don't speak out against it. It leads me to think there are no moral Christian republicans. They just say they are.
    That's complete garbage. By your logic, anyone who speaks out with a strong opinion on anything should be held responsible. NEWSFLASH: people feel strongly about things. People feel strongly about other people, especially when those people have power over their lives.

    If someone tries to attack Scott Brown, will you blame Keith Olbermann for calling him an "irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman"? Because I won't. He had an opinion; a stupid one, but an opinion nonetheless, and never encouraged violence of any sort.

    If someone attacks a Christian Republican, will it be your fault for saying that none of them are moral?

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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    I think the folks who say that the language some of these pundits use is never to blame for what some of their listeners might do is to gloss over the effect this language is intended to have on their audiences. These pundits play on the emotions of their listeners and viewers; they know just what to do to encourage joy or rage and not uncommonly all in the same one hour program. It's a form of entertainment but it is dangerous and for some who are mentally or emotionally challenged, it can result in tragedy.
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think the folks who say that the language some of these pundits use is never to blame for what some of their listeners might do is to gloss over the effect this language is intended to have on their audiences. These pundits play on the emotions of their listeners and viewers; they know just what to do to encourage joy or rage and not uncommonly all in the same one hour program. It's a form of entertainment but it is dangerous and for some who are mentally or emotionally challenged, it can result in tragedy.
    Are you proposing that pundits be charged with someone when someone does something violent?


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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think the folks who say that the language some of these pundits use is never to blame for what some of their listeners might do is to gloss over the effect this language is intended to have on their audiences. These pundits play on the emotions of their listeners and viewers; they know just what to do to encourage joy or rage and not uncommonly all in the same one hour program. It's a form of entertainment but it is dangerous and for some who are mentally or emotionally challenged, it can result in tragedy.
    So we should fine video game companies, music labels and so on anytime someone claims an external source made them or inspired them to do something illegal?
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Are you proposing that pundits be charged with someone when someone does something violent?
    No, I am proposing that we reject pundits when their language crosses the line; when their diatribes leave reality behind and enter into the realm of fear-mongering hyperbole.
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So we should fine video game companies, music labels and so on anytime someone claims an external source made them or inspired them to do something illegal?
    There is no need for claims that particular media items inspire criminal action, the media companies have already imposed labeling games and music based upon maturity and content which very much affects the monetary value of the properties, in effect, fining themselves.
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course they do, else why do you have revolutions, attacks on political and governmental infrastructure. Someone has to stir up the pot with words to make people do those things.. they do not happen by themselves. It would be like saying Hitler is not at fault for Nazi Germany.
    Pete, you do know the difference between the official leader of a country, and someone who talks about politics on TV, right? Or did you just invoke Godwins Law for the heck of it?
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Pete, you do know the difference between the official leader of a country, and someone who talks about politics on TV, right? Or did you just invoke Godwins Law for the heck of it?
    Hitler is the source of all political principles. Did Pete tell you how Hitler left Spain out of the war because Franco allowed him to tryout his technology on Franco's enemies?
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    Re: Do political pundits cause violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    There is no need for claims that particular media items inspire criminal action, the media companies have already imposed labeling games and music based upon maturity and content which very much affects the monetary value of the properties, in effect, fining themselves.
    So as long as pundit puts a warning on what they say then that alleviates them of any responsibility?
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    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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