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Do you get upset at the word democracy?

Does the word democracy upset you?

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Blackdog said:
Who said anything about the thread? In this case Goob was talking about the US government. You then agreed with his statement and proved it. Then you say because this includes other governments, somehow his statement is wrong?

That is nothing more than a fallacy man.
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No dog, Goobieman was talking about the US and how people misunderstand it as another form of democracy.
I've shown him why he's wrong in making that statement, by proving that other nations - not only the US - are following the same "rules".
 
My point still stands.
Democracy is the most moral form of regime.

Examples of Democracies:
The US, the UK, Germany, etc.
 
Apocalypse said:
My point still stands.
Democracy is the most moral form of regime.

Examples of Democracies:
The US, the UK, Germany, etc.
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Okay. *pats Apocalypse on head.* Whatever you say. You won the thread.

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Apocalypse said:
No dog, Goobieman was talking about the US and how people misunderstand it as another form of democracy.
I've shown him why he's wrong in making that statement, by proving that other nations - not only the US - are following the same "rules".
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But people do misunderstand democracy. When most people say democracy the think majority rule. This is a fact. Our government is not majority rule.

This literally has nothing to do with other country's or there government. Just because other country's have similar laws in place does not change the fact the word democracy is misunderstood by most.
 
Blackdog said:
But people do misunderstand democracy. When most people say democracy the think majority rule. This is a fact. Our government is not majority rule.

This literally has nothing to do with other country's or there government. Just because other country's have similar laws in place does not change the fact the word democracy is misunderstood by most.
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Oh, Quixote, how I love your spunk.
 
Blackdog said:
But people do misunderstand democracy. When most people say democracy the think majority rule.
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I don't know what most people think, and I don't agree with you acting like you do.
This is a fact. Our government is not majority rule.
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True.
The US, the UK, Germany, etc are not based on the majority rule value.
This literally has nothing to do with other country's or there government. Just because other country's have similar laws in place does not change the fact the word democracy is misunderstood by most.
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So where do we reach the point that Democracy is not the most moral form of regime?
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't know what most people think, and I don't agree with you acting like you do.
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So what? Does not change the truth of my statement.

Apocalypse said:
The US, the UK, Germany, etc are not based on the majority rule value.
So where do we reach the point that Democracy is not the most moral form of regime?
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Because morals are subjective.

End of argument/
 
Apocalypse said:
So where do we reach the point that Democracy is not the most moral form of regime?
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When straight Democracy is compared side by side with a constitutional republic system. Constitutional republic pwns democracy.
 
Blackdog said:
So what? Does not change the truth of my statement.
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Actually yes, it is a statements changer I'm afraid my dear mind reading friend.
Because morals are subjective.

End of argument/
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That's a whole different argument you're initiating here.

I'm not speaking about the morality of an individual, but about the human society's moral codes.
"Values of humanity" if you want it to sound kitschy.
 
Apocalypse said:
Saying so doesn't change a thing.
Your point has been debunked and shown as a false statement.

That you have decided not to create a rebuttal implies that you were unable to do so.
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I think you need to actually read what I said.
 
Blackdog said:
You basically just said the same thing Goobieman said. Then you turn around and say he is wrong????

I think you either misread his statement or don't realize what you said.
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Clearly. Thanks!
 
Catz Part Deux said:
When straight Democracy is compared side by side with a constitutional republic system. Constitutional republic pwns democracy.
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There's no such thing as a "straight democracy".

Just as a presidential representative democracy with a constitution (the US) is a sub form of democracy, so is a parliamentarian representative democracy with or without a constitution.
 
Goobieman said:
I think you need to actually read what I said.
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Goobieman, here's your post:
Goobieman's post said:
People will often say 'this is a democracy, and so...'.

When they do, they generally fail to understand that in our system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail.

I believe this is generally due to ignorance, which is sometimes willful.
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The US is a democracy.
I've just stated that.

Do I, therefore, generally fail to understand that in the American system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail?

Obviously no, I've actuality proven why it doesn't always prevail, meaning that I don't fail to understand that.

Hence, your statement that when people refer to the US as democracy they generally don't understand that the system is not fully based on the value of the majority rule was wrong.
 
Apocalypse said:
There's no such thing as a "straight democracy".

Just as a presidential representative democracy with a constitution (the US) is a sub form of democracy, so is a parliamentarian representative democracy with or without a constitution.
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ISSUES PENDING IN ALABAMA; STRAIGHT DEMOCRACY PITTED AGAINST THE FIELD... - Article Preview - The New York Times

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It might also be called "direct democracy" or "pure democracy." [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy[/ame]
 
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Apocalypse said:
Actually yes, it is a statements changer I'm afraid my dear mind reading friend.
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I am not reading any minds. I have been all over the country and around the world a few times. I have talked to literally thousands of people and I can honestly say my statement is fact.

Only a fool would deny the truth of my statement.

So no, it changes nothing.

Apocalypse said:
That's a whole different argument you're initiating here.

I'm not speaking about the morality of an individual, but about the human society's moral codes.
"Values of humanity" if you want it to sound kitschy.
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"Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (often abbreviated to HMG) is the central government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Under the unwritten British constitution, executive authority notionally lies with the monarch but is exercised only by and on the advice of the Cabinet, a collective body of the most senior ministers of the Crown, who are appointed Privy Councillors.

"The Government" is a collective noun that refers to all the ministers of the Crown[1], who are all members of one or other of the houses of Parliament. Members of the Government are, both individually and collectively, politically accountable to Parliament and the people for advice to Her Majesty and all actions carried out in her name by ministers and their Departments of State." - [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_United_Kingdom]Government of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Hmmm does not look like a Constitutional Republic to me.

Germany is a representative republic. Does this make it the most moral? No. It is again subjective be it individual or not.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
ISSUES PENDING IN ALABAMA; STRAIGHT DEMOCRACY PITTED AGAINST THE FIELD... - Article Preview - The New York Times

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You were stating that there was such a form of regime as a "Straight democracy".

I want you to prove it.

Simply searching google and finding the two words used together in what could be mistaken as an article is not enough.

If it is a sub-form of democracy, or any kind of a form of regime, there would be something about it in Wikipedia, or any dictionary really.
 
Apocalypse said:
If it is a sub-form of democracy, or any kind of a form of regime, there would be something about it in Wikipedia, or any dictionary really.
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It might also be called "direct democracy" or "pure democracy."

There are several varieties of democracy, some of which provide better representation and more freedoms for their citizens than others.[8][9] However, if any democracy is not carefully legislated – through the use of balances – to avoid an uneven distribution of political power, such as the separation of powers, then a branch of the system of rule could accumulate power and become harmful to the democracy itself.[10][11][12]

The "majority rule" is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government or constitutional protections of individual liberties from democratic power, it is possible for dissenting individuals to be oppressed by the "tyranny of the majority". An essential process in representative democracies is competitive elections, that are fair both substantively[13] and procedurally.[14] Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests.[15][16]
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The above is why a constitutional republic is better than a democracy. /thread
 
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Blackdog said:
I am not reading any minds. I have been all over the country and around the world a few times. I have talked to literally thousands of people and I can honestly say my statement is fact.
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So you claim that you know the thoughts of the majority of the people when they hear the word democracy.
Uh-huh.
Only a fool would deny the truth of my statement.
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Now you're really making a strong argument there. :2razz:
"Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (often abbreviated to HMG) is the central government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Under the unwritten British constitution, executive authority notionally lies with the monarch but is exercised only by and on the advice of the Cabinet, a collective body of the most senior ministers of the Crown, who are appointed Privy Councillors.

"The Government" is a collective noun that refers to all the ministers of the Crown[1], who are all members of one or other of the houses of Parliament. Members of the Government are, both individually and collectively, politically accountable to Parliament and the people for advice to Her Majesty and all actions carried out in her name by ministers and their Departments of State." - Government of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hmmm does not look like a Constitutional Republic to me.

Germany is a representative republic. Does this make it the most moral? No. It is again subjective be it individual or not.
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It is subjective by individual's eyes, not by society's eyes.
One may find a form of regime that he is aligned with its morality as the most moral of regimes.
I'm however referring to the morality code followed by the society.
 
Apocalypse said:
Goobieman, here's your post:
The US is a democracy.
I've just stated that.

Do I, therefore, generally fail to understand that in the American system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail?

Obviously no, I've actuality proven why it doesn't always prevail, meaning that I don't fail to understand that.

Hence, your statement that when people refer to the US as democracy they generally don't understand that the system is not fully based on the value of the majority rule was wrong.
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:doh

OK, dude.

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